Wednesday, March 26, 2008

Re: Turnitin Ruled Fair Use (UNCLASSIFIED)

Hello, Greg,

Time to use the CC Non Commercial Share-Alike license,
stipulate that your work can never be used in an
anti-plagiarism service, and launch the lawsuit :)

I'm amazed that Turnitin won this case.

Cheers,

Bill

--- Greg Kearney <kearney@tribcsp.com> wrote:

> Now wait a second turnitin is using my works for a
> commercial
> enterprise. I'm not a student. I have never agreed
> to their terms. I
> am obtaining no value from their use, unlike say
> Google which provides
> me with web traffic. So as long as you don't just go
> out and make and
> sell copies of my work you are free to stick it into
> databases and
> then sell access to that database without
> compensating me? If I can
> not prevent other from using my work in a commercial
> way as is done
> here then a copyright means very little indeed.
>
> Greg
>
> On Mar 26, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Peter Hoopes wrote:
> > A forum for independent school educators
> <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on
> > March 26, 2008 at 12:36 PM -0400 wrote:
> >> So in other word a copyright provides you no
> right at all. Anyone can
> >> take your work put it into a database, use it for
> commercial
> >> prepossess and so long as they do not display the
> whole work and in
> >> some case even if they do that is "fair use"?
> >>
> >> This sound to me as if this ruling eliminates any
> rights granted to
> >> the holder.
> >
> > (underline mine)
> >
> > This is not the case at all. Copyrights do not
> entitle their holders
> > to
> > control ALL aspects of the piece - hence the
> doctrine of "fair use."
> > What
> > you are seeing here is simply the clarification
> (by this jude) of
> > the line
> > between fair use and value of one's copyright.
> >
> > I could write a song, copyright it, and others
> STILL have the right
> > play
> > or sing it for various reasons (parody, for
> instance). Of course, in
> > this
> > case, I may be entitled to compulsory payments,
> but I can't stop
> > them from
> > doing it. I understand here that part of the issue
> is that Turnitin is
> > making money off of material that is submitted by
> students who feel
> > they
> > have no choice.
> >
> > But, they do. Parents and students can complain
> vigorously to their
> > school
> > districts or heads of school. There is no one
> compelling the schools
> > to
> > use Turnitin, and that is the place to strike for
> those who oppose it.
> >
> > Our policy here is that teachers send suspicious
> papers to me, I
> > submit
> > them, check the report, and inform the teacher.
> Therefore, the VAST
> > majority of our students never have anything to do
> with
> > turnitin.com, but
> > we still benefit from having the service
> available.
> >
> > Peter Hoopes
> > Director of Technology
> > St. Andrew's School
> > phoopes@standrews-de.org
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