Re: Student Computers on LCD Projector

Macs have screen sharing built in to 10.5. A student can easily share
their findings by having the teacher pull up whoever's computer is
hooked up to the computer or we also use Apple Remote Desktop.
Sharing is only one cool thing that that App does.

Lisa Douthit
Technology Resources & Locust Systems Admin
Notre Dame de Sion
ldouthit@ndsion.edu

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On Jun 22, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Renee Ramig wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> My middle school science teacher is getting a whole new science
> center this summer, and he wants tech to be like "Minority
> Report." :)
>
> One thing I am not sure how to do easily is this:
>
> Students will be working on experiments and one of them will want to
> look up something online. They grab a laptop, find something, and
> then they want to quickly share it with the rest of the class on the
> LCD projector.
>
> The way we do it now, is the student copies the link to the student
> share folder, goes over to the teacher computer that is hooked up to
> the LCD projector, opens up the share folder and clicks on the link.
>
> Is there a way to do this more easily? Is there any quick way to
> screen share from a student computer to a teacher computer? Or, is
> there a way to set up wireless VGA that any computer can connect to
> on the fly?
>
> One other caveat is that we decide on computer platform based on
> what best supports curriculum. For our science class this means a
> Mac running OSX.5 for the teacher, 6 PCs running XP Pro, 6 Macs
> running OSX.4 for the students.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Renee Ramig
> Seven Hills School
>
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Re: Student Computers on LCD Projector

Renee,

Check out In Focus' LiteShow II. They have software built into them that
will allow it to sit on a network and provide stop and start screen
sharing across the network. The only caveat is that it only works with
PC's - but it does it really well.

http://www.infocus.com/Accessories/Wireless/LiteShowII.aspx

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Subject: Student Computers on LCD Projector

Hi Everyone,

My middle school science teacher is getting a whole new science center
this summer, and he wants tech to be like "Minority Report." :)

One thing I am not sure how to do easily is this:

Students will be working on experiments and one of them will want to
look up something online. They grab a laptop, find something, and then
they want to quickly share it with the rest of the class on the LCD
projector. =20

The way we do it now, is the student copies the link to the student
share folder, goes over to the teacher computer that is hooked up to the
LCD projector, opens up the share folder and clicks on the link.

Is there a way to do this more easily? Is there any quick way to screen
share from a student computer to a teacher computer? Or, is there a way
to set up wireless VGA that any computer can connect to on the fly?

One other caveat is that we decide on computer platform based on what
best supports curriculum. For our science class this means a Mac
running OSX.5 for the teacher, 6 PCs running XP Pro, 6 Macs running
OSX.4 for the students.

Thanks,

Renee Ramig
Seven Hills School

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Student Computers on LCD Projector

Hi Everyone,

My middle school science teacher is getting a whole new science center =
this summer, and he wants tech to be like "Minority Report." :)

One thing I am not sure how to do easily is this:

Students will be working on experiments and one of them will want to =
look up something online. They grab a laptop, find something, and then =
they want to quickly share it with the rest of the class on the LCD =
projector. =20

The way we do it now, is the student copies the link to the student =
share folder, goes over to the teacher computer that is hooked up to the =
LCD projector, opens up the share folder and clicks on the link.

Is there a way to do this more easily? Is there any quick way to screen =
share from a student computer to a teacher computer? Or, is there a way =
to set up wireless VGA that any computer can connect to on the fly?

One other caveat is that we decide on computer platform based on what =
best supports curriculum. For our science class this means a Mac =
running OSX.5 for the teacher, 6 PCs running XP Pro, 6 Macs running =
OSX.4 for the students.

Thanks,

Renee Ramig
Seven Hills School

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Packetshapping

I am new to using anything that will let me manage my network bandwidth. =
We have two T1s coming in, but we still have major slowdowns, so I need =
something that will do the following;

Allow me to see what is taking the bandwidth (and who is doing it)

Be able to block sites by AD user or group as well as by Mac address. =
(We have about 90% PCs that all authenticate to the server, but we have =
about 10% Macs that are used primarily for video and do not =
authenticate. I would want to deal with these by Mac address.)

Be able to limit or increase bandwidth to certain users or buildings as =
needed

Ideally be able to change limits based on time of day (so I can relax =
limits for teachers before and after school hours)

What products are you using to do this?=20
Are they software based (run on your server)?
Do they have their own appliance to run from?

Anything else I should know, look for, avoid?

Thanks in advance.

Renee Ramig
Seven Hills School

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Re: Gradebook software

I will chime in here and say that we successfully use FAWeb and have very f=
ew complaints about the product.

Stuart Posin
Director of Technology
The Buckley School

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EDU] On Behalf Of Renee Ramig
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:26 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Gradebook software

My teachers used Gradequick for years and most really liked it.
Blackbaud, our SIS stopped supporting the Gradequick to Blackbaud
interface once they developed FAWeb. We switched to FAWeb, and it is
unanimously hated by all teachers. It has limited features. You can't
see a full class on your screen (you have to scroll). It is browser
based, and only works about 90% of the time when using Firefox. (When
you call Blackbaud, that charges us over $20,000 a year for support,
they say they only support using FAWeb with Microsoft Internet Explorer,
so all my teachers at home with Macs are out of luck if there is a
Firefox issue.) When you update (and there seems to be a new "patch"
out almost daily), there can be disastrous results. For example, on
this last update, the final grade was not showing. I finally called
Blackbaud about three weeks later, and they said it was a known problem
with the current update. You just have to clear the cache in EE, then
go back to EVERY GRADE that was already entered and just type it in
again! Needless to say, I got to take two days, retyping every grade
the teachers had put in. Luckily, it had only been about three weeks of
grades.=20

Unless the ONLY choice you have is FAWeb, I would never recommend it to
anyone. There are so many better, less expensive options available
including GradeQuick and Easy Grade Pro.

Renee Ramig
Seven Hills School

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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 4:25 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Gradebook software

We are using Blackbaud's Education Edge and FAWeb. Would anyone have any
comparison information between FAWeb and other gradebook software?

Thanks,
Brenda

Brenda Rilling
IT Director
Selwyn House School
95 Cote St. Antoine
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>We tried three different Grade Books that interfaced with our Student
>Information System. The teachers using them reported to the rest of
the
>faculty, who voted for GradeQuick. We have used it for 4 years now,
and
>are currently using GradeQuick Web with Edline. We are very pleased.
>=20
>Judith Claire Robison
>Director of Technology
>Saint John's Catholic Prep
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>________________________________
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>From: A forum for independent school educators on behalf of Bernadette
>Roche
>Sent: Thu 6/18/2009 3:51 PM
>To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>Subject: Gradebook software
>
>
>
>At this time, we don't utilize any specific gradebook software, but
>there has been an inquiry from a small group of teachers. My only
>experience is with Integrade Pro and it wasn't a good one. Someone
>mentioned Easy Grade Pro as a possibility. What other gradebook
>programs have your teachers found particularly useful?
>
>
>
>Bernadette Roche
>
>
>
>Director of Technology
>
>Oakhill Day School
>
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Online Girls' School Announcement

For further information, contact Brad Rathgeber at
brad.rathgeber@onlineschoolforgirls.org or 301.365.6114

=20

=20

Online School for Girls Launching this fall

Nationwide Consortium of independent all-girls' schools to launch first
online school for girls

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June 22, 2009... A nationwide consortium of independent, all-girls'
schools announced the creation of the first ever online school dedicated
to secondary education for girls, The Online School for Girls. Developed
by a consortium of independent, all-girls' schools including Harpeth
Hall School (Tenn.), Holton-Arms School (Md.), Laurel School (Ohio), and
Westover School (Conn.), the School will begin offering pilot classes in
the 2009-2010 school year.

=20

"Online education is rapidly becoming a cornerstone of the educational
experience of the twenty-first century," says Brad Rathgeber, Director
of Technology at Holton-Arms School. According to K-12 Online Learning:
A 2008 Follow-up of the Survey of U.S. School District Administrators,
more than one million secondary school students enrolled in online
courses and 70 percent of high schools had at least one student who took
an online class during the 2007-2008 school year.

=20

In addition, Keeping Pace with K-12 Online Learning reports that 44
states have or are in the process of creating virtual secondary schools,
"but none of them specifically address the educational needs of girls,"
explains Ann Pollina, President of the National Coalition of Girls'
Schools and Head of School at Westover School. "We believe that girls
inhabit online spaces differently than boys and that this initiative can
combine a powerful, transformative online learning environment for girls
with a high-quality, twenty-first century academic experience."=20

=20

Guided by current research on how girls learn best, the School will
focus on several key principles: emphasizing connections among
participants; incorporating collaboration into the learning experience;
inspiring and rewarding creativity; and engaging in real-world problems
and applications while having students probe the social and ethical
dynamics that define and stretch our global society. =20

=20

"Not every girl has the opportunity to attend an all
girls' school," says Larry Goodman, Co-Director of the Center for
Research on Girls at Laurel School, "so our hope in embarking on this
initiative is to inspire and challenge girls on a worldwide scale."

=20

The Online School for Girls officially launches in
September 2009, offering two pilot courses in the fall semester and four
courses in the spring semester of the 2009-2010 school year. Students
from consortium member schools will take and evaluate the initial
courses. Courses offered for the first year will be upper-level
secondary courses in math, the sciences and humanities. "We envision an
educational experience designed for girls that provides vigorous
coursework, exposure to new ideas, and a fun, relevant learning
environment in an online setting," says Ann Teaff, Head of School at
Harpeth Hall School.

=20

In coming years, the Online School will expand the scope and reach of a
traditional girls' school and work to engage a worldwide and diverse
student base, including students who are in need of a more flexible
school schedule, are home schooled, or would not otherwise have
opportunities available for challenging or unique coursework.

=20

For further information, contact Brad Rathgeber at
brad.rathgeber@onlineschoolforgirls.org or 301.365.6114

=20

=20

----

Brad Rathgeber

Director of Technology

History Teacher

Holton-Arms School

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Office: 301-365-6114

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www.holton-arms.edu

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"Education not only of the mind, but of the soul and spirit"

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Re: Drug and Alcohol Education

Charles Poncho Brown is someone that the kids can relate to.

In a message dated 06/11/09 12:13:34 Eastern Daylight Time, bbrown@GDS.ORG writes:
Does anyone know of a good speaker or program/curriculum for drug and
alcohol education at the high school level?

We are looking for something that will actively engage the students,
parents and faculty in conversations about the health, legal and social
implications of risky behavior in regards to drugs and alcohol.

Thanks so much!

Bri Brown

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Georgetown Day School
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Re: NECC Get-together

thanks. I'm looking forward to meeting you all.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Brown, Jill <BROWNJ@aa.edu> wrote:

> I just received confirmation from ISTE that we are the last event in WWCC
> 102 A and we are WELCOME to stay in the room after our Birds-of-a-Feather
> event.
> Marti, let us know what you are planning for our ISED get together at NECC!
> Jill
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: A forum for independent school educators on behalf of Brown, Jill
> Sent: Tue 6/9/2009 9:34 AM
> To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: NECC Get-together
>
>
>
> I have emailed ISTE to see if we can stay in the room following the
> Independent Schools SIG Birds-of-a-Feather on Monday, 6/29/2009,
> 4:45pm-6:15pm WWCC 102 A. I'll let you know what we find out. Thanks for
> working on this Marti!
> Jill Brown
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: A forum for independent school educators on behalf of Marti Weston
> Sent: Tue 6/9/2009 8:18 AM
> To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: NECC Get-together
>
>
>
> *** Please respond to my school address, mweston@gds.org. ***
>
> Sixteen people have responded about getting together at the NECC
> conference. I have written to you all directly, so ignore this posting on
> ISED and respond to the message from your mail box.
>
> If you have not responded and would like to be a part of this
> get-together, please be in touch with me at mweston@gds.org.
>
> I have contacted the Capitol City Brewing Company near the Convention
> Center, and they are getting back to me. I expect a dinner will cost
> between $20 and $30 per person depending on who has beer and wine and who
> goes the iced tea route. I am thinking Sunday night the 28th or Monday
> night the 29th, probably around 6:15 or so. The dinner will be a cash
> transaction, so you should come prepared to pay for dinner, tax (big in
> DC) and tip.
>
> I know, based on past experience with get-togethers at conferences, that
> everyone will not be able to come, so please e-mail me (mweston@gds.org)
> with the night that is better for you.
>
> A second and cheaper option would be to have it at my Arlington house
> (right across the river), near the East Falls Church metro stop (a 20
> minute ride) or an easy drive from downtown, and have my husband ferry
> people to the house from the Metro (3 minutes, which he would happily do
> -- though he works in epidemiology he loves ed tech people). I have lots
> of wine and soft drinks left over from my daughter's May 2nd wedding. We
> could order pizza and a salad or something else.
>
> A third and cheapest option is to ask NECC if we can use a room at the
> Convention Center late in the afternoon (5:30 or so?), just to sit around
> and talk, but I'd like to ask Howard Levin about this since he probably
> knows just the right person to call. If someone has his e-mail or can
> forward this to him.
>
> So you need to answer these questions.
> -- If you haven't let us know you are interested, are you?
> -- Which venue do you prefer?
> -- Which night do you prefer?
> -- If we schedule for the night you DO NOT prefer, can you still
> make it?
>
> My best,
> Marti Weston
> LMS Technology Coordinator, Georgetown Day School
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Re: NECC Get-together

I just received confirmation from ISTE that we are the last event in =
WWCC 102 A and we are WELCOME to stay in the room after our =
Birds-of-a-Feather event.=20
Marti, let us know what you are planning for our ISED get together at =
NECC!=20
Jill

________________________________

From: A forum for independent school educators on behalf of Brown, Jill
Sent: Tue 6/9/2009 9:34 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: NECC Get-together

I have emailed ISTE to see if we can stay in the room following the =
Independent Schools SIG Birds-of-a-Feather on Monday, 6/29/2009, =
4:45pm-6:15pm WWCC 102 A. I'll let you know what we find out. Thanks for =
working on this Marti!
Jill Brown

________________________________

From: A forum for independent school educators on behalf of Marti Weston
Sent: Tue 6/9/2009 8:18 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: NECC Get-together

*** Please respond to my school address, mweston@gds.org. ***

Sixteen people have responded about getting together at the NECC
conference. I have written to you all directly, so ignore this posting =
on
ISED and respond to the message from your mail box.

If you have not responded and would like to be a part of this
get-together, please be in touch with me at mweston@gds.org.

I have contacted the Capitol City Brewing Company near the Convention
Center, and they are getting back to me. I expect a dinner will cost
between $20 and $30 per person depending on who has beer and wine and =
who
goes the iced tea route. I am thinking Sunday night the 28th or Monday
night the 29th, probably around 6:15 or so. The dinner will be a cash
transaction, so you should come prepared to pay for dinner, tax (big in
DC) and tip.

I know, based on past experience with get-togethers at conferences, that
everyone will not be able to come, so please e-mail me (mweston@gds.org)
with the night that is better for you.

A second and cheaper option would be to have it at my Arlington house
(right across the river), near the East Falls Church metro stop (a 20
minute ride) or an easy drive from downtown, and have my husband ferry
people to the house from the Metro (3 minutes, which he would happily do
-- though he works in epidemiology he loves ed tech people). I have =
lots
of wine and soft drinks left over from my daughter's May 2nd wedding. =
We
could order pizza and a salad or something else.

A third and cheapest option is to ask NECC if we can use a room at the
Convention Center late in the afternoon (5:30 or so?), just to sit =
around
and talk, but I'd like to ask Howard Levin about this since he probably
knows just the right person to call. If someone has his e-mail or can
forward this to him.

So you need to answer these questions.
-- If you haven't let us know you are interested, are you?
-- Which venue do you prefer?
-- Which night do you prefer?
-- If we schedule for the night you DO NOT prefer, can you still =
make it?

My best,
Marti Weston
LMS Technology Coordinator, Georgetown Day School
mweston@gds.org 202-295-6180 FAX 202-295-6181
http://www.gds.org <http://www.gds.org/> <http://www.gds.org/>=20

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Re: Teacher Expectations with Technology

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Re: Teacher Expectations with Technology

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Re: Teacher Expectations with Technology

Fred -

It is an important question without a demonstrative solution as yet. So I'll offer what
is our current attempt to deal with expectations. (I stress current because we have tried
many approaches with limited success.)

There are varying degrees of acceptance within our school of tech use from Luddite to
high adopters. We attempt to build communities of those users formed around the tools
where those interested can seek guidance from those who have already explored or are
exploring. My department (2.5 positions) monitor and sometimes guide them. That gives us
an opportunity to try to find ways to develop interests beyond the absolutely necessary
with those teachers and staff "who don't get it." (Only in the education field would that
be allowed so prevalently.)

We are beginning to set standards about what is expected at a minimal, proficient and
high level. There is discussion about part of compensation being based on those
standards. (While we are closer to doing that than ever, it has been an epoch long
discussion.) Part of the difficulty is that the target is moving frequently and the
implications of the impact rattle the skill set in content areas. Resistance is high at
the administrative level.

Still, it is within the communities that the push for change is beginning to occur, and
the weaning away from tech as the sole source of professional development has begun.
Peers are beginning to support and drive each other.

David F. Withrow
Director of Technology
Harford Day School
Bel Air, Maryland 21014
voice: 410 879 2350 ex 33
fax: 410 836 5918
skype: dfwithrow
http://www.harfordday.org

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Re: Teacher Expectations with Technology

Fred,

What we expect from one another is less important than the strength of
the professional relationships we build with the people we serve. Some
people are more interested than others in becoming better together
than we can be on our own. These are the people in whom you should
invest the majority of your time and energy.

One of the challenges of working in school technology is that we are
accountable in all kinds of ways to people who are not particularly
accountable to us. We can continue to bemoan that fact and rail about
what is instead of what should be (I still get on this soapbox
sometimes and should know better by now). Ultimately, this approach
squanders valuable time and emotional capital. Better to get busy
seizing opportunities we find and investing ourselves in those who
want to meet us half way or better. As for the rest, be professional,
work to earn and keep their trust, meet what needs they have with all
due diligence, stay alert for signs that they are ready to up the ante
for moving forward, and welcome it when it happens.

When decisions need to be made and no consensus can be found, do your
homework, make the call, and own the consequences, good and bad (this
is why we get the big dollars in school technology). You can invite
people to take part in helping make these decisions, and when they are
eager to do so in a constructive way, it's great. More often, though,
folks would rather not deal with the complexity that is part and
parcel of what we do every day; even those with good intentions find
they don't have the stomach for it, so we move ahead on our own
comfortably because, by and large, we know more about how the school
actually runs than almost anyone else in it and have made it our
business to keep climbing the steep learning curve that comes with
this territory.

My two cents.

Curt Lieneck
Director of Information Technology
University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
1362 E. 59th St.
Chicago IL 60637
V: 773.834.1863
F: 773.702.8480

On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Fred Austin wrote:

> Hi Guys
>
> Question:
> What are your expectations for teachers taking initiative to make
> sure they understand and use technology systems beyond their
> training and professional development? Realizing that there are
> different methods of uptake and retention on an individual basis, we
> are primarily talking about things like Moodle/Blackboard, SIS
> software, teacher web pages, and eTextbooks. Web 2.0 tools such as
> NING, Twitter, Podcasting, etc still being left up to the more
> motivated individual by choice.
> At what point does "hand-holding" taper off to wean the individual?
> Do you have instances of a few that just don't get it?
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> Fred Austin
> Technology Director
> The Oakwood School
> Greenville, NC
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Re: Showing my ignorance

Try Response-o-matic==free

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Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 1:54 PM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Showing my ignorance

You might also be able to (at least temporarily) use google docs form
function and use the info in the google spreadsheet function. Survey
monkey does similar things. We use both of these free sites for forms now
and then for various quick gathering of information.

Lisa Douthit
Technology Resources & Locust Systems Admin Notre Dame de Sion
ldouthit@ndsion.edu

_________________________________
"CQ + PQ > IQ. Curiosity Quotient plus Passion Quotient is more important
than Intelligence Quotient."

~Tom Friedman

On Jun 19, 2009, at 12:04 PM, Bernadette Roche wrote:

> Ok, I know I'm showing my stupidity, so I apologize. Please don't
> berate me for it :)
>
> I've been asked to find a way for us to collect a form that is filled
> out and returned electronically. It's our lunch menu sign up. We get
> it in pdf form and have been emailing to parents. Now we'd like to go
> to the next level and have parents fill it out and return it by email
> where we compile the orders for both the vendor and billing purposes.
> We keep this data in an Access DB.
>
> Now, I know Adobe will do the form creation, but I'm not very familiar
> with Adobe so I don't really know how to collect and compile the data.
> I can create the form no problem. I don't know that I like the cost
> of Adobe, though.
>
> Does anyone use Adobe frequently enough to walk me through what to do?
> Is there another option besides Adobe to do this task?
>
> Thanks,
> Bernadette
>
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Re: Showing my ignorance

I second google docs. I see no reason to pay for something that you can get
for free (and no ads). Google docs is incredibly customizable. Once you
set up the form, you can copy the html from them and use it on your own
website. Best part is, it is completely customizable as it is just an html
form.
Linking that to an access database, however, is another issue. Google docs
does have the option to export your data as a csv or an excel spreadsheet.
That would work as long as Access can take that information. The only
other option I could suggest is to look into possibly having the forms
directly contacting the database which seems to me like more trouble than it
is worth. Good luck!

Rick Castorani
Academy in Manayunk

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Bernadette Roche <
Bernadette.Roche@oakhilldayschool.org> wrote:

> Ok, I know I'm showing my stupidity, so I apologize. Please don't
> berate me for it :)
>
> I've been asked to find a way for us to collect a form that is filled
> out and returned electronically. It's our lunch menu sign up. We get
> it in pdf form and have been emailing to parents. Now we'd like to go
> to the next level and have parents fill it out and return it by email
> where we compile the orders for both the vendor and billing purposes.
> We keep this data in an Access DB.
>
> Now, I know Adobe will do the form creation, but I'm not very familiar
> with Adobe so I don't really know how to collect and compile the data.
> I can create the form no problem. I don't know that I like the cost of
> Adobe, though.
>
> Does anyone use Adobe frequently enough to walk me through what to do?
> Is there another option besides Adobe to do this task?
>
> Thanks,
> Bernadette
>
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Re: Gradebook software

My teachers used Gradequick for years and most really liked it.
Blackbaud, our SIS stopped supporting the Gradequick to Blackbaud
interface once they developed FAWeb. We switched to FAWeb, and it is
unanimously hated by all teachers. It has limited features. You can't
see a full class on your screen (you have to scroll). It is browser
based, and only works about 90% of the time when using Firefox. (When
you call Blackbaud, that charges us over $20,000 a year for support,
they say they only support using FAWeb with Microsoft Internet Explorer,
so all my teachers at home with Macs are out of luck if there is a
Firefox issue.) When you update (and there seems to be a new "patch"
out almost daily), there can be disastrous results. For example, on
this last update, the final grade was not showing. I finally called
Blackbaud about three weeks later, and they said it was a known problem
with the current update. You just have to clear the cache in EE, then
go back to EVERY GRADE that was already entered and just type it in
again! Needless to say, I got to take two days, retyping every grade
the teachers had put in. Luckily, it had only been about three weeks of
grades.=20

Unless the ONLY choice you have is FAWeb, I would never recommend it to
anyone. There are so many better, less expensive options available
including GradeQuick and Easy Grade Pro.

Renee Ramig
Seven Hills School

-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Brenda Rilling
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 4:25 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Gradebook software

We are using Blackbaud's Education Edge and FAWeb. Would anyone have any
comparison information between FAWeb and other gradebook software?

Thanks,
Brenda

Brenda Rilling
IT Director
Selwyn House School
95 Cote St. Antoine
Montreal, QC H3Y 2H8
(p) 514-931-9481 x 2281
(f) 514-931-6118
A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
writes:
>We tried three different Grade Books that interfaced with our Student
>Information System. The teachers using them reported to the rest of
the
>faculty, who voted for GradeQuick. We have used it for 4 years now,
and
>are currently using GradeQuick Web with Edline. We are very pleased.
>=20
>Judith Claire Robison
>Director of Technology
>Saint John's Catholic Prep
>=20
>
>________________________________
>
>From: A forum for independent school educators on behalf of Bernadette
>Roche
>Sent: Thu 6/18/2009 3:51 PM
>To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>Subject: Gradebook software
>
>
>
>At this time, we don't utilize any specific gradebook software, but
>there has been an inquiry from a small group of teachers. My only
>experience is with Integrade Pro and it wasn't a good one. Someone
>mentioned Easy Grade Pro as a possibility. What other gradebook
>programs have your teachers found particularly useful?
>
>
>
>Bernadette Roche
>
>
>
>Director of Technology
>
>Oakhill Day School
>
>www.oakhilldayschool.org
>
>bernadette.roche@oakhilldayschool.org
>
>816.436.6228
>
>
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Re: Showing my ignorance

Bernadette,
It sounds like you get a form monthly that is already in a PDF format. =
Is that the only way you can have this information electronically? No =
matter which of the avenues you pick, you will be handling data at both =
ends quite a bit more than needs be if you could streamline it form the =
start.

If you have no alternative but to get the data as a PDF, you can make it =
a form and collect data by email (you would need to place it the =
database then) or online, but I have never done Access DB collection =
online with forms. I am interested to hear from someone who has done =
that.

Sound like if you use a survey, you will be creating a new survey every =
month. An online solution that also handled the payment would be slick.
-Ann

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From: A forum for independent school educators on behalf of Bernadette =
Roche
Sent: Fri 6/19/2009 11:04 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Showing my ignorance
=20
Ok, I know I'm showing my stupidity, so I apologize. Please don't
berate me for it :)

I've been asked to find a way for us to collect a form that is filled
out and returned electronically. It's our lunch menu sign up. We get
it in pdf form and have been emailing to parents. Now we'd like to go
to the next level and have parents fill it out and return it by email
where we compile the orders for both the vendor and billing purposes.
We keep this data in an Access DB.

Now, I know Adobe will do the form creation, but I'm not very familiar
with Adobe so I don't really know how to collect and compile the data.
I can create the form no problem. I don't know that I like the cost of
Adobe, though.

Does anyone use Adobe frequently enough to walk me through what to do?
Is there another option besides Adobe to do this task?

Thanks,
Bernadette

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Re: Teacher Expectations with Technology

Touch questions that I think we all ask...

At all the schools I have worked at, it has been pretty much the same -=20

1 - teachers that really work at staying up to date and implementing it
in their classroom (luckily I find this increasing each year - my
current school is at about 40%)

2 - teachers that will use tech if you are there to help them, hold
their hand, introduce it slowly, etc. (this continues to be the majority
of my teachers - 50% - however just a few years ago, this was 80%)

3 - teachers that are techies that use technology for everything whether
it should be tech-based or not (usually only a couple teachers)

4 - teachers that only use technology if forced to (luckily, this is
getting less and less - I only have a few teachers in this group)

I see my role as supporting those in group 1, and helping teachers in
group 2 get up to group 1. Some teachers will retire before ever making
it to group 1, but some really do try and actually make it.

Teachers in group 3 usually think they know more than me (and most do
know more about technology than I do). I do try to give them tips on
how to better use the technology to support the curriculum rather than
take over the classroom. =20

Teachers in group 4, I help when they ask for support, but I just don't
put any energy into them. They do not want to learn. They don't want
to use the technology. I have plenty of teachers that want to grow, so
that is where I put my support.

I think for teachers in groups 1-2 (which is where you want to put your
focus), my job is to show them ways technology can help. This includes
teaching with it, learning from it, sharing it, trying it, etc.
Teachers in groups 1-2 will grow if they see how it can really help them
and their students. Also, just like with the students, differentiated
learning for teachers is critical. If all I offered was after school
workshops once a month, half my teachers would never learn anything
(even if it was required). Some of my teachers need me to sit there and
show them one-on-one how to do it. Others need me to create a
step-by-step hand out that they can go through on their own and come
back to me with questions. Others like to work with small groups of
other teachers. Still others like large conferences. You need to offer
all of this to meet everyone's needs.

Renee Ramig
Seven Hills School

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[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Fred Austin
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 7:57 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Teacher Expectations with Technology

Hi Guys

Question:
What are your expectations for teachers taking initiative to make sure =20
they understand and use technology systems beyond their training and =20
professional development? Realizing that there are different methods =20
of uptake and retention on an individual basis, we are primarily =20
talking about things like Moodle/Blackboard, SIS software, teacher web =20
pages, and eTextbooks. Web 2.0 tools such as NING, Twitter, =20
Podcasting, etc still being left up to the more motivated individual =20
by choice.
At what point does "hand-holding" taper off to wean the individual? Do =20
you have instances of a few that just don't get it?

Thanks for your feedback.

Fred Austin
Technology Director
The Oakwood School
Greenville, NC

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Re: Teacher Expectations with Technology

Hi ISED,

I think once you get a foundation of technology in the school that is
reliable and stable then you have a basis to build on. Of course, that
requires an understanding from the powers that be at the school that this
foundation is important. If you don't have that kind of understanding, then
the rest of my email is irrelevant. If everyone is constantly dealing with
network interruptions, badly terminated cabling, horrible networking,
problems they don't see relate to what they are trying to do and lack of
basic investment in infrastructure, then attempting to engage and improve
faculty and staff is a non-starter because the trust is not present. Get
value understood and trust in the foundational areas you need.

After that, there has to be a partnership with the school to help motivated
faculty be better teachers and use technology where it is appropriate and
beneficial for the mission of the teacher/subject/department/school for the
student benefit. Sure, this is never an easy answer, but constant discussion
seems to work well. So, you want to get a foundation in and not let those
that are slow or reluctant hold the school and other faculty back from
progress towards mission which should also be self-development.

The model of teachers owning courses they teach is common understanding and
agreeable to all involved in my experience. It makes sense that the teacher
WANTS to control and handle what he/she does with their classes. Tech being
a part of that makes sense when it makes sense to the teacher to deliver the
content. Making tech an external requirement or introducing possibly forcing
it makes it more alien and can have an adverse affect on the situation.
Teachers need to invite that in and having a culture that supports that
needs to be active. The times I have seen reluctance is when teachers have
been burned in the past and when there are too many question marks to
introduce something into the class. I think we all get that and if I were in
the teacher's shoes, I wouldn't want to introduce something that is an
unknown into a course that I know very well and have delivered for years
just fine (in their opinion).

So, my approach, albeit in progress, is to be available for the faculty and
deliver for the faculty so they WANT to work with us and be respectful to
them and give them credit for knowing their material and what could work or
not work. Trust and respect needs to be there. I am not a teacher, so I am
not coming it and telling them what I think they need to do but rather being
a resource to assist in their delivery. The delivery varies from teacher to
teacher, department to department and subject to subject.

Just as in the corporate world, you want people to want to work with you so
you can keep the resource tangents down to a minimum when possible. If
people do not want to work with you, that is a problem and that is actually
your problem to fix. For example, having motivated faculty scattering around
to all the different tools du jour without some guidance with the overall
school and student in-mind is a scary thing IMHO. I think that is where and
why the school as a whole needs to take ownership of this and see it not as
tech as a separate thing, but rather integrated in the mission. Where
teacher A loves ning and has all of his classes there but teacher B loves
something else and has all her classes there - the teachers might be happy
with what has been left to happen, but the student is now jumping around all
over the place (web) to get what they need rather than a more centralized
approach that keeps ease of use and some consistency in mind. Also, having
teachers go all over the place using the free tool du jour seems random and
erratic to me personally. Well-intentioned movement itself does not equal
progress.

Lots to talk about here clearly and I probably will need to clarify but the
teachers I have worked with in my first year in schools are all very
responsive when you approach them with service, respect and support. My goal
is not to grade them on how technical or how much technology they are
packing into their courses, but how effective they are taking advantage of
the tools and support the school provides and with their students learning
the content. Basically, this is why I am not a big fan of terms like
'Education Tech' because when one even states something like that there is a
separation or competition of some sort that could be inferred. I would
rather take the approach tech is part of the education but not a
displacement nor a constant.

Longer then expected and probably off-topic, but there you go. This relates
more to what I have seen out there with other schools and my experiences
over the last year and not with anything/anyone on the ISED list so please
don't mistake any pronoun I might have used above as a pointer to you in
anyway.

Thanks,

Jonathan
................................
Jonathan Mergy <jmergy@lwhs.org>
Director Of Technology
Lick-Wilmerding High School
755 Ocean Ave, SF CA 94112
P:415.585.1725 x365
http://www.lwhs.org

> From: Fred Austin <faustin@theoakwoodschool.org>
> Reply-To: ISED-L <ISED-L@listserv.syr.edu>
> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:56:41 -0400
> To: ISED-L <ISED-L@listserv.syr.edu>
> Subject: Teacher Expectations with Technology
>
> Hi Guys
>
> Question:
> What are your expectations for teachers taking initiative to make sure
> they understand and use technology systems beyond their training and
> professional development? Realizing that there are different methods
> of uptake and retention on an individual basis, we are primarily
> talking about things like Moodle/Blackboard, SIS software, teacher web
> pages, and eTextbooks. Web 2.0 tools such as NING, Twitter,
> Podcasting, etc still being left up to the more motivated individual
> by choice.
> At what point does "hand-holding" taper off to wean the individual? Do
> you have instances of a few that just don't get it?
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> Fred Austin
> Technology Director
> The Oakwood School
> Greenville, NC
>
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Re: Showing my ignorance

Hi,

We use SurveyMonkey all the time. It is $200 a year for unlimited
surveys, unlimited responses, etc. (If you have less than 100 responses
per survey, you can use the free version.)

The data is easy to read from the surveymonkey site itself, and it is
also really easy to download into Excel or Access.

The advantages of this:
1. It is online already, so no worrying about how do I get the survey I
created on my server available to all my parents.=20

2. It is stored on the Surveymonkey site, so no worries about losing
data. (You would store the downloaded data, but you could always go
back to Surveymonkey and re-download as needed.)

3. You can use Surveymonkey for lots of things even with the students
and once you have it. I will create a survey. Our kids will take it,
and now we have "live" data to play with for graphing, for learning
Excel, and for great discussions. We use it for quick surveys of
teachers like what type of sandwich do you want at the next inservice. =20

Renee Ramig
Seven Hills School

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[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Bernadette Roche
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:04 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Showing my ignorance

Ok, I know I'm showing my stupidity, so I apologize. Please don't
berate me for it :)

I've been asked to find a way for us to collect a form that is filled
out and returned electronically. It's our lunch menu sign up. We get
it in pdf form and have been emailing to parents. Now we'd like to go
to the next level and have parents fill it out and return it by email
where we compile the orders for both the vendor and billing purposes.
We keep this data in an Access DB.

Now, I know Adobe will do the form creation, but I'm not very familiar
with Adobe so I don't really know how to collect and compile the data.
I can create the form no problem. I don't know that I like the cost of
Adobe, though.

Does anyone use Adobe frequently enough to walk me through what to do?
Is there another option besides Adobe to do this task?

Thanks,
Bernadette

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