=0Aagainst Google when their systems appear to have worked. The person was=
=0Aidentified and terminated. If anything this makes me trust them more. =
Put this =0Ain stark contrast to FaceBook, who despite their public profes=
sions have a CEO =0Awho has admitted (in writing) to accessing data in the =
same way =0A(http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/14/damning-zuckerberg-i.html=
).=0A =0AThere are very few systems that make your data unreachable to inte=
rnal staff and =0Avery few companies that could not modify their terms of s=
ervice to do whatever =0Athey want with your data. Especially cloud based =
services. To get that level =0Aof security requires an investment beyond t=
he reach and need of most schools. =0AYou bring up Zoho as being different=
from Google but it has all the same issues, =0Athough as a paid service yo=
u have a stronger legal foot to stand on in =0Adisputes. From the Zoho ter=
ms of service:=0A =0A=E2=80=9CWe assure you that the contents of your user =
account will not be disclosed to =0Aanyone and will not be accessible even =
to employees of Zoho except in =0Acircumstances specifically mentioned in t=
his Privacy Policy Statement.=E2=80=9D=0A =0AThat means someone has access =
to all of your data via Zoho (even if you are =0Ausing local storage and th=
eir API). It is likely multiple people, in multiple =0Acountries (Just lik=
e google), and even if you deleted it now it would remain in =0Atheir posse=
ssion, likely for weeks or months.=0A =0AThis is not to diminish Zoho, Goog=
le, or any other cloud service. I think they =0Aoffer much better securit=
y and privacy than most schools can offer internally or =0Aeven with the he=
lp of custom development and consulting, but every system is =0Avulnerable =
and they are most vulnerable to those who administer them.=0A =0A_J=0A ____=
________________________=0AJason at jasonpj@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______=
_________________________=0AFrom: Joe Frost <Joe.Frost@phoenixchristian.org=
>=0ATo: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU=0ASent: Wed, September 15, 2010 6:32:23 PM=
=0ASubject: Re: Google Apps in Schools=0A=0AOne of the many reasons we felt=
we had to build our own WEB 2.0=0Asolution. WE hooked up with zoho and int=
egrated a few core apps via=0Atheir api. All Cloud, all ours :) All private=
. We retain ownership of=0Aall data.=0A=0AThanks, =0A******* =0A=0AJoe Fros=
t, MS CIS=0ADirector of Technology & Operations=0ADepartment Chair Technolo=
gy =0Ahttp://www.phoenixchristian.org=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=
=0AFrom: Steve Taffee [mailto:staffee@castilleja.org] =0ASent: Tuesday, Sep=
tember 14, 2010 2:48 PM=0ATo: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU=0ASubject: Re: Google=
Apps in Schools=0A=0AThis is creepy. As you said, Bill, this is likely an =
isolated incident.=0AAs we know from past news reports (http://goo.gl/5awR)=
, such breaches of=0Aprivacy can happen with via internal school staff as w=
ell as hosted=0Asolutions.=0A=0AAnd don't even get me starteed on what ISPs=
, the NSA, and Homeland=0ASecurity can tap into if they so desire.=0A=0AAny=
of us who have been involved with employee firings know that are=0Ahands a=
re tied when it comes to how much information can be revealed=0Aabout emplo=
yees. I can appreciate Google's reluctance to say more about=0Athe situatio=
n.=0A=0As=0A-----=0ASteve Taffee | Director of Strategic Projec=
ts=0ACastilleja School | staffee@castilleja.org=0A1310 Bryant Street =
| www.castilleja.org=0APalo Alto, CA 94301 | taffee.edublogs.org 650.924.1=
040 (Google Voice)=0AWomen Learning, Women Leading <http://twitter.com/sjta=
ffee>=0A<http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevetaffee>=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Sep 14, 20=
10 at 2:14 PM, Bill Fitzgerald=0A<dwfitzgerald@yahoo.com>wrote:=0A=0A> Whil=
e this is likely an isolated incident, it certainly raises =0A> questions a=
bout what happens to our student's personal information =0A> (also known as=
their thoughts, and portions of the intellectual =0A> explorations that ma=
ke up their=0A> life)=0A> are sent to a large company. In this case, an eng=
ineer at Google was =0A> allegedly fired for accessing the accounts of mino=
rs:=0A>=0A>=0A> http://www.businessinsider.com/google-engineer-stalked-teen=
s-spied-on-=0A> chats-2010-9=0A>=0A>=0A> "In other cases involving teens o=
f both sexes, Barksdale exhibited a =0A> similar=0A> pattern of aggressivel=
y violating others' privacy, according to our=0A> source. He=0A> accessed=
contact lists and chat transcripts, and in one case quoted=0Afrom=0A> an=
IM=0A> that he'd looked up behind the person's back. (He later apologize=
d =0A> to one for=0A> retrieving the information without her knowledge.) =
In another=0Aincident,=0A> Barksdale unblocked himself from a Gtalk buddy=
list even though the=0Ateen=0A> in=0A> question had taken steps to cut c=
ommunications with the Google=0Aengineer."=0A>=0A> So, as schools make deci=
sions to outsource essential services to =0A> external companies (aka the c=
loud), it's worth remembering that there =0A> are people working around the=
clock to keep the cloud running. Most of=0A=0A> these people do the right =
thing all of the time, but for schools =0A> rolling these services out (and=
requiring students to use them as part=0A=0A> of their school work) what r=
ecourse would you have if your student's =0A> privacy was violated? Is ther=
e even any guarantee that you would be =0A> told?=0A>=0A> At what point doe=
s convenience trump the ability to guarantee your =0A> students and your pa=
rents that you have taken reasonable steps to =0A> ensure the privacy and i=
ntegrity of work done within your school?=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> [ For inf=
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