I kind of wish we had that problem - at this time, our board is not in
favor of providing student e-mail, so we use GApps for faculty e-mail
only. The only issue I've had raised is restoring deleted messages for
faculty (I've never enjoyed that part if my job when we had email on-
site) - but there are several services that will do that for you at a
reasonable price. Then, it just depends how much your administration
insists on it - I'm a bit hard lined about saying "if you deleted it,
it's gone."
In terms if the student issue, nothing beats an on-site server. I,
too, would be interested to see what solutions others have found to
this issue.
Jen
On Apr 9, 2008, at 16:17, CHRISTOPHER BUTLER <CBUTLER@stjohnsprep.org>
wrote:
> I hope someone has a good response to what I'm about to write. I
> don't mean
> to rain on the parade of praise for off-site email, but I do have some
> concerns with not having more control over the server.
>
> What happens when a student's account gets abused by another student
> who has
> stolen a password? Assuming that you can even get access to the
> logs that
> track logins, read messages, etc..., if it happened during the
> school day
> (or if you are a boarding school) the best info you will get is your
> public
> WAN address. You'll have a bear of a time tracking those logins
> back to
> particular machines on campus.
>
> We've had this happen a few times here and within 15 minutes, I can
> associate an email login to a computer on campus by IP and cross-
> reference
> that with workstation logins and pretty quickly get a very short
> list of
> students who were probably involved. No need to wait for Google to
> provide
> the info (assuming they will even do that). In some cases, we've even
> tracked the suspect logins to public IPs and have been able to cross
> reference those with other logins from that IP and challenge the
> students to
> a decent explanation of what our logs show.
>
> We also have access to detailed message tracking for both internal
> and SMTP
> messaging so that we can usually get the information we need pretty
> quickly
> to solve problems.
>
> I would be happy to save money go with an offsite solution, but I'd
> also
> want to continue to have detailed tracking and reporting for
> tracking down
> inappropriate use and troubleshooting. Do any of the off-site
> vendors off
> this?
>
> Christopher Butler
>
>
> --
> Christopher Butler
> Academic Technology Director
> St. John's Preparatory School
> Danvers, MA
>
>
>
> On 4/9/08 3:42 PM, "Tom Phelan" <tphelan@PEDDIE.ORG> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:33:24 -0400, Johnson, Jason P Mr WRAMC_Wash DC
>> <Jason.Johnson3@amedd.army.mil> wrote:
>>
>>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
>>> Caveats: NONE
>>>
>>> I wondered if anyone has a good web browser-based, hosted email
>>> recommendation with the following caveats:
>>> --My initial recommendation was Google's education solution but it
>>> is
>>> currently out of the running due to negative experiences with the
>>> gmail
>>> service when administrators used it for personal email.
>>> --We have a host that can provide web based access to mail using
>>> Squirrel mail but no one likes the overall interface.
>>> --We are not considering a hosted Microsoft Exchange solution at
>>> this
>>> time, mostly due to its comparatively high cost and the
>>> differences in
>>> functionality when used on different platforms.
>>>
>>
>>
>> IMHO Google Apps is THE solution for those looking for a web-based
>> email
>> solution. We have been looking at Google Apps since Fall 2006, are
>> currently
>> running a pilot with about 40 users, and will be switching over the
>> summer.
>>
>> With all due respect to your administrators, I hardly think their
>> personal
>> experiences with Gmail should be anything beyond one factor among
>> many.
>> Perhaps you administrators might like the price...free!
>> Furthermore, no
>> matter what you switch to some will like it and some won't. It
>> doesn't make
>> sense for the personal preference of a few to outweigh all other
>> considerations.
>>
>> Don't forget Google Calendar, Google Start, Google Docs, and Google
>> Sites.
>> While you probably won't be jumping into these on day one, all of
>> them show
>> a lot of promise for education use. Also, Google Apps is very well
>> positioned as ubiquitous broadband becomes a reality and more and
>> more users
>> have Internet connected phones/mobile devices.
>>
>> Sorry I didn't have time for more specifics...
>
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