Wednesday, September 15, 2010

Re: Google Apps in Schools

One of the many reasons we felt we had to build our own WEB 2.0
solution. WE hooked up with zoho and integrated a few core apps via
their api. All Cloud, all ours :) All private. We retain ownership of
all data.

Thanks,=20
*******=20

Joe Frost, MS CIS
Director of Technology & Operations
Department Chair Technology=20
http://www.phoenixchristian.org

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Taffee [mailto:staffee@castilleja.org]=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:48 PM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Google Apps in Schools

This is creepy. As you said, Bill, this is likely an isolated incident.
As we know from past news reports (http://goo.gl/5awR), such breaches of
privacy can happen with via internal school staff as well as hosted
solutions.

And don't even get me starteed on what ISPs, the NSA, and Homeland
Security can tap into if they so desire.

Any of us who have been involved with employee firings know that are
hands are tied when it comes to how much information can be revealed
about employees. I can appreciate Google's reluctance to say more about
the situation.

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On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Bill Fitzgerald
<dwfitzgerald@yahoo.com>wrote:

> While this is likely an isolated incident, it certainly raises=20
> questions about what happens to our student's personal information=20
> (also known as their thoughts, and portions of the intellectual=20
> explorations that make up their
> life)
> are sent to a large company. In this case, an engineer at Google was=20
> allegedly fired for accessing the accounts of minors:
>
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-
> chats-2010-9
>
>
> "In other cases involving teens of both sexes, Barksdale exhibited a=20
> similar
> pattern of aggressively violating others' privacy, according to our
> source. He
> accessed contact lists and chat transcripts, and in one case quoted
from
> an IM
> that he'd looked up behind the person's back. (He later apologized=20
> to one for
> retrieving the information without her knowledge.) In another
incident,
> Barksdale unblocked himself from a Gtalk buddy list even though the
teen
> in
> question had taken steps to cut communications with the Google
engineer."
>
> So, as schools make decisions to outsource essential services to=20
> external companies (aka the cloud), it's worth remembering that there=20
> are people working around the clock to keep the cloud running. Most of

> these people do the right thing all of the time, but for schools=20
> rolling these services out (and requiring students to use them as part

> of their school work) what recourse would you have if your student's=20
> privacy was violated? Is there even any guarantee that you would be=20
> told?
>
> At what point does convenience trump the ability to guarantee your=20
> students and your parents that you have taken reasonable steps to=20
> ensure the privacy and integrity of work done within your school?
>
>
>
>
>
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