would
expect a student to cite a resource. This isn=92t a legal definition =
but it
may help the discussion along vis-=E0-vis ISED. You ask a question. =
Their
software is doing the synthesis to generate the answer. It is the =
answer
which is being copyrighted and which required the work.
Credit is given not for FINDING facts but for DOING SOMETHING WITH THEM.
Would you give a student credit for just doing a card catalog search at =
the
library or for typing in search terms at Google? No. You earn credit =
for
the larger paper/product in which you are presenting and citing the
chart/data you found. If all you are doing is putting in search terms =
and
showing somebody else their results, it will be self-evident that you =
put in
the search terms. If you take the time to analyze and comment upon =
their
product, again it seems self-evident what you added and you get credit =
for
_that_. =20
Interesting line of discussion though...
Dan Berger
JPDS =96 NC
-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Ivey
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:13 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Copyright and Wolfram Alpha, Google
Hi!
So in your example, WA gets the copyright on the correlation even though =
I'm
the one who thought up the terms being correlated, on the grounds their
machine did the research at that point? Shouldn't we at a minimum share
credit for the work?
Take care,
Bill Ivey
Stoneleigh-Burnham School
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:26 AM, JPDS Tech <techpurchases@jpds.org> =
wrote:
> I read the W/A statement differently. I don't think they intend to
enforce copyright on common knowledge questions. They appear to be =
making
> essentially an academic-type claim. They have taken existing facts =
and
> compiled them together in ways that may or may not have ever existed
> before. This is similar to a doctoral thesis which refers to data
collected originally by other people/organizations (eg: Census Bureau) =
but
analyzes it in new ways. That thesis IS copyrightable. The copyright =
isn't
on the original data but on the product of analysis and synthesis of the
data.
>
> Scenario: You ask W/A to compare two mildly obscure data points from =
two
> atypical groups (eg televisions per capita and infant mortality rates =
for
> Bosnia & Herzegovina and Brazil). W/A is stating that it is possible =
that
> nobody has ever put that particular combination of data together =
before.
> Thus, it is appropriate to cite W/A and not just the underlying =
sources of
> their chart. That parallels the way you would cite a thesis paper =
which
> synthesized these data points.
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