Friday, May 22, 2009

Re: Copyright and Wolfram Alpha, Google

Academically they should provide credit=A0(which they generally do) but the=
n it goes quickly into the murky waters of copyrighting derivative works an=
d fair use.=A0 Regardless of credit, copyright refers to legal ownership.=
=A0 They would argue that=A0you don't own it because their analysis is tran=
sformative.=A0 They would=A0still be happy to give you credit=A0and a bill =
for the license to use their analysis of your data=A0:-)=0A=0AI think the m=
ost important part of the Groklaw analysis was :=0A"And the meaning of all =
this? No. Not 42. It means Wolfram|Alpha will never replace Google. "=0A=0A=
_J=A0____________________________=0AJason at jasonpj@yahoo.com =0A=0A=0A=0A=
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bill Ivey <bivey01370@gmail.com=
>=0ATo: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU=0ASent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:12:58 AM=0A=
Subject: Re: Copyright and Wolfram Alpha, Google=0A=0AHi!=0A=0ASo in your e=
xample, WA gets the copyright on the correlation even though I'm=0Athe one =
who thought up the terms being correlated, on the grounds their=0Amachine d=
id the research at that point? Shouldn't we at a minimum share=0Acredit for=
the work?=0A=0ATake care,=0ABill Ivey=0AStoneleigh-Burnham School=0A=0AOn =
Fri, May 22, 2009 at 9:26 AM, JPDS Tech <techpurchases@jpds.org> wrote:=0A=
=0A> I read the W/A statement differently.=A0 I don't think they intend to =
enforce=0A> copyright on common knowledge questions.=A0 They appear to be m=
aking=0A> essentially an academic-type claim.=A0 They have taken existing f=
acts and=0A> compiled them together in ways that may or may not have ever e=
xisted=0A> before.=0A> This is similar to a doctoral thesis which refers to=
data collected=0A> originally by other people/organizations (eg: Census Bu=
reau) but analyzes=0A> it=0A> in new ways.=A0 That thesis IS copyrightable.=
=A0 The copyright isn't on the=0A> original data but on the product of anal=
ysis and synthesis of the data.=0A>=0A> Scenario:=A0 You ask W/A to compare=
two mildly obscure data points from two=0A> atypical groups (eg television=
s per capita and infant mortality rates for=0A> Bosnia & Herzegovina and Br=
azil).=A0 W/A is stating that it is possible that=0A> nobody has ever put t=
hat particular combination of data together before.=0A> Thus, it is appropr=
iate to cite W/A and not just the underlying sources of=0A> their chart.=A0=
That parallels the way you would cite a thesis paper which=0A> synthesized=
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