Re: a salary question

For classroom teachers, including physical education, our salaries are
tied to experience, background (degree), and, though not with a rigid
scale, merit, never to a specific discipline. I think going down that
road is a mistake. Fortunately, we have not found ourselves in the
position of having to offer special incentives to find teachers in the
more competitive or harder-to-find disciplines.
--
Jim Dunaway
Dean of Faculty
The Kinkaid School
Houston, TX

Kris Schulte wrote:
> For those of you who deal with hiring and salaries, do any of you pay teachers in different disciplines on a different scale? (For instance, pay a Physics teacher more than an English teacher) Or, perhaps offer salary incentives, bonuses to attract teachers- either in a specific discipline or maybe to fill a particular demographic needed in your school faculty.
>
>
>
> Kris Schulte
> Dean of Faculty
> Stuart Country Day School
> 1200 Stuart Road, Princeton, NJ 08540
> 609-921-2330
> fax 609-497-0784
> kschulte@stuartschool.org
>
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a salary question

For those of you who deal with hiring and salaries, do any of you pay =
teachers in different disciplines on a different scale? (For instance, pay =
a Physics teacher more than an English teacher) Or, perhaps offer salary =
incentives, bonuses to attract teachers- either in a specific discipline =
or maybe to fill a particular demographic needed in your school faculty.

Kris Schulte
Dean of Faculty
Stuart Country Day School
1200 Stuart Road, Princeton, NJ 08540
609-921-2330
fax 609-497-0784
kschulte@stuartschool.org

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

On 9/27/07, Greg Kearney <kearney@tribcsp.com> wrote:
>
> Educationally what we are trying to avoid is what I call the 5-step
> computer user. My primary work is in a hospital, there I have
> encountered many highly trained medical professionals, people who are
> bight, articulate and well educated but who are 5-step computer users.
>
> [snip]
>
> So here is how we avoid producing "5 -step users"
>
> [snip]
>
> 4. We prohibit the taking of notes in computer labs except for
> programing classes. No writing down the steps to open a file and so
> on. You will internalize how each kind of computer works. You will
> know it in the same way you know how to drive any car be it a Ford,
> Volvo or Rolls Royce. You don't get into a car and have little notes
> all over the place saying "put the key in" "turn key to the right" and
> so on nor should you wit a computer.

OK, but...

While I employ the car analogy myself, telling my students and parents who
say "but we don't have a Mac at home" that when they turn 16 they're not
gonna tell the Driver Ed teacher "but we have a Ford and this is a Chevy,"
the rest of #4 doesn't exactly follow.

For example, I've been driving for 34 years now. And while I don't need
notes to tell me where the key goes, where the gas and brake pedals are, and
basic stuff like that that you really need to be able to do reflexively, I
*do* need notes, and have them in each of our cars, about how to reset the
clock, how to program the stereo, and a number of things I don't do on a
regular basis. Heck, what are notes anyway but a condensation of the owner's
manual for things you know you'll want to do, but don't do on a regular
basis? Do you forbid your students from RTFM also, but demanding that they
commit everything to memory? I don't expect *me* to remember all the steps
for all things all the time, so why should I expect them?

And if the manual is poorly written (as they sometimes are), why shouldn't
the student write down the appropriate steps in a way that makes better
sense? I've known how to use a TV since I was three and a VCR since I was
23, but every time there's a power outage here, we have to reset our VCR and
the instructions in the manual are abysmal.I have to do this more than I'd
like, but not so often that I have the sequence memorized. So I wrote down
the five steps it takes to do it and posted them near the VCR. Why should I
have to remember *everything*? I'm trained as a librarian, and we teach
people to look it up and write it down.

You and I have spoken on the phone and it seems that the difference between
what you're doing there and what the rest of us are trying to do is that
you're trying to train people who are truly (and I mean this in the most
complimentary usage of the term) computer geeks who can get under the hood
of any system and get going in a minute. The rest of us are trying to train
people whose primary focus may be art, literature, science, or whatever, but
know how to use a computer for those things they normally need to use it
for. Maybe this is the dreaded five-step user, but maybe not everyone needs
to be Alan Turing.

Going back to that automotive analogy for a moment, I think that you're
teaching Auto Shop while the rest of us are teaching Driver's Ed. When it
comes to *maintaining* their cars, most people are five-step users, and get
along just fine knowing only how to fill it with gas (unless you live in NJ,
where you're not even allowed to do it), add wiper fluid, and put air in the
tires. When it comes to things like changing the oil, changing a tire, or
dealing with a dead battery they tend to deal with Jiffy Lube or AAA.

Most people get along just fine without the specialized under the hood
knowledge that auto geeks have. Similarly, most people function just fine as
five-step users because they only ever really need the computer for those
five things. Their primary focus and training is on administering IVs or
teaching violin, or preparing legal cases. Not everyone needs to be MacGyver
with a computer.
--
keg

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Manlius Pebble Hill School
5300 Jamesville Rd
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315.446.2452
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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

Educationally what we are trying to avoid is what I call the 5-step
computer user. My primary work is in a hospital, there I have
encountered many highly trained medical professionals, people who are
bight, articulate and well educated but who are 5-step computer users.

They can use a computer so long as they are able to follow they five
steps they have on post-it notes on the screen. Should the computer do
something unexpected, should someone send them an email enclosure in
some format they do not expect or should we ask them to perform some
computer task in a new or different way they are unable to do so
because it is not part of the "5 steps I wrote down". I wish I had a
dime for every time I had a user tell me that.

So here is how we avoid producing "5 -step users"

1. No school email or storage. You must get used to the ideas that you
don't know what kind of computer or program others, even your own
classmates, might be using. That you alone are responsible for your
own email, and files. If you don't back up our files no one else will.

2. Every day students will use a different OS, if you used a Mac
yesterday you must use a Windows or Linux computer today and so on. We
do this by colored cards the student carries.

3. Every paper, report, spreadsheet or art project and so on must be
saved in format that can be opened on any of the computers. because
the next time you are in the lab you can be sure you will not be on
the kind of computer you were on the last time.

4. We prohibit the taking of notes in computer labs except for
programing classes. No writing down the steps to open a file and so
on. You will internalize how each kind of computer works. You will
know it in the same way you know how to drive any car be it a Ford,
Volvo or Rolls Royce. You don't get into a car and have little notes
all over the place saying "put the key in" "turn key to the right" and
so on nor should you wit a computer.

Greg
On Sep 27, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Childs, Christopher wrote:

> Wow. Fascinating point of view.
>
> However, I've been in the real world, and in the real world
> companies do
> provide company email for company business. Just as my school
> provides
> a school email address to faculty and students (grade 7 and up) for
> school business. One of the reasons for this being so everyone is on
> the same system. The same way companies (and schools) do their best
> to
> provide the same computers and same software. Also email sent on a
> company's behalf is potentially their business, just as email
> between a
> student and teacher is potentially the school's business.
>
> I've seen no evidence that the students are anything but fluent in
> using
> email when we give them their school accounts in 7th grade. Perhaps
> because most of our students do have private email accounts, no
> doubt a
> family/parental decision. However we are able to teach the lesson that
> there is a difference between personal email and work/school email.
>
> Also, the amount of storage our students use on the servers is almost
> inconsequential. Our 500 or so students use up about 50 Gig. I'd be
> hard pressed to buy a hard drive too small to hold it all.
> Admittedly I
> could buy them all decent sized USB-drives and be rid of them, but
> that
> would actually be more work than just backing up their folders along
> with everything else. In reality with our admissions, business
> office,
> development, bookstore, grading software, and online course package to
> backup and maintain, we already are a small data center.
>
> Christopher Childs
> Director of Educational Technology
> National Cathedral School
>

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

Greg -

I find your arguments intriguing. I would love to discuss this with your over the phone
at some point and at your convenience. I have begun to press personal accountability at
my school and met a great deal of resistance. In large part, I see your advocacy in those
terms. [I see several other accounts as a branding issue: Development, Administration and
Technology, the last mostly as a point of contact to resolve problems.] While I know I
would meet substantial resistance, support costs continue to expand. Adoption of at least
some of your policies could reduce our costs.

David F. Withrow
Director of Technology
Harford Day School
Bel Air, Maryland 21014
voice: 410 879 2350 ex 33
fax: 410 836 5918
http://www.harfordday.org

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

Christopher,

We have 850 students and give them 2GB of network storage. =20
I have 3TB dedicated to student and faculty storage and a 6TB image
server for data backup as well as an Overland Reo disk to disk and Neo
tape unit for offsite storage.

My backup solution alone cost us over twenty-thousand dollars and our
students and faculty are asking for more.

You give your students 50GB of network storage. Do you have 25TB of
storage available? Do you backup student files? What equipment do you
use?

Thank you,

Jason Hyams
Director of Technology
St. Agnes Academy

-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Childs, Christopher
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:53 PM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

Wow. Fascinating point of view.

However, I've been in the real world, and in the real world companies do
provide company email for company business. Just as my school provides
a school email address to faculty and students (grade 7 and up) for
school business. One of the reasons for this being so everyone is on
the same system. The same way companies (and schools) do their best to
provide the same computers and same software. Also email sent on a
company's behalf is potentially their business, just as email between a
student and teacher is potentially the school's business.

I've seen no evidence that the students are anything but fluent in using
email when we give them their school accounts in 7th grade. Perhaps
because most of our students do have private email accounts, no doubt a
family/parental decision. However we are able to teach the lesson that
there is a difference between personal email and work/school email.

Also, the amount of storage our students use on the servers is almost
inconsequential. Our 500 or so students use up about 50 Gig. I'd be
hard pressed to buy a hard drive too small to hold it all. Admittedly I
could buy them all decent sized USB-drives and be rid of them, but that
would actually be more work than just backing up their folders along
with everything else. In reality with our admissions, business office,
development, bookstore, grading software, and online course package to
backup and maintain, we already are a small data center.

Christopher Childs
Director of Educational Technology
National Cathedral School

-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:05 PM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

I not making myself clear here. We do not want to control or monitor
email accounts which is one reason why we do not offer school email
accounts. Controlling and monitoring of email is a family matter, the
family can chose to provide the child with email or not as they see fit
but the school does not. The family can choose the email provider.

If the child is being disruptive with email, or any other way in class
then that is a discipline issue for the teacher. We view email and for
that matter laptops just like any other kind of school supply that the
family makes decisions about; pen, pencils, notebooks and so forth.

There are practical and educational reasons fro this approach. In the
real world people have private email accounts and we want our student to
understand how email works. Not everyone is on the same system, not
everyone uses the same kind of computer, or the same software. You have
to learn how to communicate in a varied word. You can not assume that
because you have the latest version of Microsoft Office that everyone
else does at school or at home or anywhere.

That is why we have done what we have done. No school email accounts,
not for student's not for faculty not for anyone except a school account
for sending out newsletters and such and one for the registrar. No
student storage, students store their own property,files, on their own
drives not on the schools drives. We will and do erase student files on
school computers every night. We are running a school not a data center.

Greg
On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Dave Baker wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Then I am not understanding your post about the reason you don't offer

> students or faculty email. A school is not a public library,=20
> particularly an independent school. Also, if a student is accessing=20
> an email account from school and sending/receiving messages during=20
> school hours it is not a private matter. One of the reasons we have=20
> chosen to provide students email accounts is we can control it/monitor

> it. As they are accessing an account during our classes we would be=20
> involved in the "private"
> choices a
> family is making.
>
> Dave

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

Wow. Fascinating point of view.

However, I've been in the real world, and in the real world companies do
provide company email for company business. Just as my school provides
a school email address to faculty and students (grade 7 and up) for
school business. One of the reasons for this being so everyone is on
the same system. The same way companies (and schools) do their best to
provide the same computers and same software. Also email sent on a
company's behalf is potentially their business, just as email between a
student and teacher is potentially the school's business.

I've seen no evidence that the students are anything but fluent in using
email when we give them their school accounts in 7th grade. Perhaps
because most of our students do have private email accounts, no doubt a
family/parental decision. However we are able to teach the lesson that
there is a difference between personal email and work/school email.

Also, the amount of storage our students use on the servers is almost
inconsequential. Our 500 or so students use up about 50 Gig. I'd be
hard pressed to buy a hard drive too small to hold it all. Admittedly I
could buy them all decent sized USB-drives and be rid of them, but that
would actually be more work than just backing up their folders along
with everything else. In reality with our admissions, business office,
development, bookstore, grading software, and online course package to
backup and maintain, we already are a small data center.

Christopher Childs
Director of Educational Technology
National Cathedral School

-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 5:05 PM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

I not making myself clear here. We do not want to control or monitor
email accounts which is one reason why we do not offer school email
accounts. Controlling and monitoring of email is a family matter, the
family can chose to provide the child with email or not as they see fit
but the school does not. The family can choose the email provider.

If the child is being disruptive with email, or any other way in class
then that is a discipline issue for the teacher. We view email and for
that matter laptops just like any other kind of school supply that the
family makes decisions about; pen, pencils, notebooks and so forth.

There are practical and educational reasons fro this approach. In the
real world people have private email accounts and we want our student to
understand how email works. Not everyone is on the same system, not
everyone uses the same kind of computer, or the same software. You have
to learn how to communicate in a varied word. You can not assume that
because you have the latest version of Microsoft Office that everyone
else does at school or at home or anywhere.

That is why we have done what we have done. No school email accounts,
not for student's not for faculty not for anyone except a school account
for sending out newsletters and such and one for the registrar. No
student storage, students store their own property,files, on their own
drives not on the schools drives. We will and do erase student files on
school computers every night. We are running a school not a data center.

Greg
On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Dave Baker wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Then I am not understanding your post about the reason you don't offer

> students or faculty email. A school is not a public library,=20
> particularly an independent school. Also, if a student is accessing=20
> an email account from school and sending/receiving messages during=20
> school hours it is not a private matter. One of the reasons we have=20
> chosen to provide students email accounts is we can control it/monitor

> it. As they are accessing an account during our classes we would be=20
> involved in the "private"
> choices a
> family is making.
>
> Dave

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

I not making myself clear here. We do not want to control or monitor
email accounts which is one reason why we do not offer school email
accounts. Controlling and monitoring of email is a family matter, the
family can chose to provide the child with email or not as they see
fit but the school does not. The family can choose the email provider.

If the child is being disruptive with email, or any other way in class
then that is a discipline issue for the teacher. We view email and for
that matter laptops just like any other kind of school supply that the
family makes decisions about; pen, pencils, notebooks and so forth.

There are practical and educational reasons fro this approach. In the
real world people have private email accounts and we want our student
to understand how email works. Not everyone is on the same system, not
everyone uses the same kind of computer, or the same software. You
have to learn how to communicate in a varied word. You can not assume
that because you have the latest version of Microsoft Office that
everyone else does at school or at home or anywhere.

That is why we have done what we have done. No school email accounts,
not for student's not for faculty not for anyone except a school
account for sending out newsletters and such and one for the
registrar. No student storage, students store their own
property,files, on their own drives not on the schools drives. We will
and do erase student files on school computers every night. We are
running a school not a data center.

Greg
On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Dave Baker wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Then I am not understanding your post about the reason you don't offer
> students or faculty email. A school is not a public library,
> particularly
> an independent school. Also, if a student is accessing an email
> account
> from school and sending/receiving messages during school hours it is
> not a
> private matter. One of the reasons we have chosen to provide students
> email accounts is we can control it/monitor it. As they are
> accessing an
> account during our classes we would be involved in the "private"
> choices a
> family is making.
>
> Dave

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

You know, I can actually see Greg's point. After all, eventually computers,
laptops in particular, are going to become so cheap that they become as
common as pencils and three-ring notebooks. In fact I'm looking forward to
the day when we just provide the networking infrastructure for printing and
Internet access, and they bring their own machines.

But getting back to the binder/pencil analogy, we don't tell students what
kind of binders to buy, nor do we try to control what they do with them.
Yes, they could be writing harassing notes with that pen and on that piece
of paper. Yes, they could be drawing pictures of naked people. Or just plain
doodling when they should be taking notes. And you know something? We all
did that when we were kids, and we survived.

Just because it's possible to have total control over a student's use of
certain tools doesn't mean that it's a good idea. And just because it's
theoretically possible doesn't mean that it will work out in practice.
Unlike Greg give all of our students and faculty members MPH email accounts,
for the same reason that Syracuse University and most other colleges give
all of their students and faculty members institutional email accounts: to
make communication easier within the organization. However, most students
here prefer to use different systems, so they either don't use their MPH
email or they POP it into some other system. Are we going to tell them that
they can ONLY use their MPH email accounts when they're communicating with
members of the MPH community? I don't think so. It would be way too
cumbersome to try to enforce.

We don't even think of controlling and monitor who they send handwritten
notes to, so why are we trying to set up a system where they can only
communicate electronically over systems we have control over?

The decisions we made 12 years ago when we talked about the Internet were
based on the idea of us having total control over how students accessed the
system. I disagreed with those decisions then because I felt that ultimately
they wouldn't work, and I was proven right. So let's give up the pretense
that we can control everything they do on computers.

Besides, if they choose to use Gmail to suck their MPH email off of our
server, I'm all for it.

On 9/27/07, Dave Baker <dbaker@mttam.org> wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> Then I am not understanding your post about the reason you don't offer
> students or faculty email. A school is not a public library, particularly
> an independent school. Also, if a student is accessing an email account
> from school and sending/receiving messages during school hours it is not a
> private matter. One of the reasons we have chosen to provide students
> email accounts is we can control it/monitor it. As they are accessing an
> account during our classes we would be involved in the "private" choices a
> family is making.
>

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DeWitt, NY 13214
315.446.2452
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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

Greg,

Then I am not understanding your post about the reason you don't offer
students or faculty email. A school is not a public library, particularl=
y
an independent school. Also, if a student is accessing an email account
from school and sending/receiving messages during school hours it is not =
a
private matter. One of the reasons we have chosen to provide students
email accounts is we can control it/monitor it. As they are accessing an
account during our classes we would be involved in the "private" choices =
a
family is making.

Dave

A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on
Thursday, September 27, 2007 at 11:05 AM -0800 wrote:
>We would retain anything from our computers once a legal process =20
>starts as for Google, Yahoo and other ISPs they would be required to =20
>comply as well I believe. But that is between them and the lawyers. We =20
>do not retain email because we do not offer student or faculty email =20
>or file storage simple as that. It's rather like the public library's =20
>internet.
>
>We do not have agreements with anyone. We do not get involved in a =20
>student's family private choice about email providers.
>
>Greg
>On Sep 27, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Dave Baker wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>>
>> What is the legal stance on this? Aren't schools required have a =20
>> system
>> in place to retain electronic communication once a legal proceeding is
>> initiated? Do you have an agreement in place with off-site =20
>> providers to
>> archive this information and make it available and reasonably =20
>> searchable
>> in case it is needed?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on
>> Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 5:21 PM -0800 wrote:
>>> This is one reason why we don't offer student or faculty email. If
>>> someone want to subpoena someone let them subpoena Google, not us.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Backon, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> The NAIS attorney told us, at a workshop, not to archive email at =20
>>>> all
>>>> except during discovery as outlined by Peter Hoopes. Anything you =20
>>>> have
>>>> in your archives (as opposed to a backup, which is a snapshot in
>>>> time),
>>>> is subject to subpoena once a legal proceeding is initiated. You can
>>>> well imagine the types of messages circulating or saved on your =20
>>>> email
>>>> server that might sometime have to be turned over to the courts.
>>>>
>>>> _________________________________
>>>> Joel Backon
>>>> Director of Academic Technology / History Teacher
>>>> Choate Rosemary Hall
>>>> 333 Christian St.
>>>> Wallingford, CT 06492
>>>> 203-697-2514
>>>>
>>>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
>>>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
>>>> are
>>>> addressed.
>>>>
>>>> If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender
>>>> immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and any attachments
>>>> and
>>>> destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information =20
>>>> by a
>>>> person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: A forum for independent school educators
>>>> [mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Hoopes
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:34 PM
>>>> To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size
>>>>
>>>> A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>>> writes:
>>>>> Second item - length of time to keep the archived emails: 7 =20
>>>>> years. Is
>>>> this
>>>>> too long?
>>>>
>>>> This is actually a MIS-interpretation of the law. At least our =20
>>>> counsel
>>>> and
>>>> several other strong firms in the area have told us, you do NOT have
>>>> to
>>>> keep 7 years worth of email activity. You simply need to have in
>>>> place a
>>>> method by which you CAN keep email during a discovery process should
>>>> get
>>>> involved in one.
>>>>
>>>> If you have consulted your school counsel and they believe 7 years =20
>>>> is
>>>> necessary, then so be it. But, if you haven't, don't get caught up =20
>>>> in
>>>> all
>>>> of the panic about keeping that much email.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Hoopes
>>>> Director of Technology
>>>> St. Andrew's School
>>>> phoopes@standrews-de.org
>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>>>>
>>>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>>>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>>>>
>>>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>>>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>>>
>>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>>
>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>
>[ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

We would retain anything from our computers once a legal process
starts as for Google, Yahoo and other ISPs they would be required to
comply as well I believe. But that is between them and the lawyers. We
do not retain email because we do not offer student or faculty email
or file storage simple as that. It's rather like the public library's
internet.

We do not have agreements with anyone. We do not get involved in a
student's family private choice about email providers.

Greg
On Sep 27, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Dave Baker wrote:

> Greg,
>
> What is the legal stance on this? Aren't schools required have a
> system
> in place to retain electronic communication once a legal proceeding is
> initiated? Do you have an agreement in place with off-site
> providers to
> archive this information and make it available and reasonably
> searchable
> in case it is needed?
>
> Dave
>
> A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on
> Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 5:21 PM -0800 wrote:
>> This is one reason why we don't offer student or faculty email. If
>> someone want to subpoena someone let them subpoena Google, not us.
>>
>> Greg
>> On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Backon, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> The NAIS attorney told us, at a workshop, not to archive email at
>>> all
>>> except during discovery as outlined by Peter Hoopes. Anything you
>>> have
>>> in your archives (as opposed to a backup, which is a snapshot in
>>> time),
>>> is subject to subpoena once a legal proceeding is initiated. You can
>>> well imagine the types of messages circulating or saved on your
>>> email
>>> server that might sometime have to be turned over to the courts.
>>>
>>> _________________________________
>>> Joel Backon
>>> Director of Academic Technology / History Teacher
>>> Choate Rosemary Hall
>>> 333 Christian St.
>>> Wallingford, CT 06492
>>> 203-697-2514
>>>
>>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
>>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
>>> are
>>> addressed.
>>>
>>> If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender
>>> immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and any attachments
>>> and
>>> destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information
>>> by a
>>> person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: A forum for independent school educators
>>> [mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Hoopes
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:34 PM
>>> To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size
>>>
>>> A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>>> writes:
>>>> Second item - length of time to keep the archived emails: 7
>>>> years. Is
>>> this
>>>> too long?
>>>
>>> This is actually a MIS-interpretation of the law. At least our
>>> counsel
>>> and
>>> several other strong firms in the area have told us, you do NOT have
>>> to
>>> keep 7 years worth of email activity. You simply need to have in
>>> place a
>>> method by which you CAN keep email during a discovery process should
>>> get
>>> involved in one.
>>>
>>> If you have consulted your school counsel and they believe 7 years
>>> is
>>> necessary, then so be it. But, if you haven't, don't get caught up
>>> in
>>> all
>>> of the panic about keeping that much email.
>>>
>>> Peter Hoopes
>>> Director of Technology
>>> St. Andrew's School
>>> phoopes@standrews-de.org
>>> =====================
>>>
>>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>>>
>>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>>
>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>
> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED=20
Caveats: NONE

It totally agree with you on tablet PCs :-). As to the rest ..... I was
not completely fair, because your use of external email does insulate
the school in purely personal matters. Example: faculty member cheats
on spouse and arranges liaisons through school email system. Spouse
kills faculty member and school gets subpoenaed for the emails. You
have also limited the risk with regard to abuse of access to email by
technical staff. Example: email admin discovers faculty member is being
treated for depression, blabs to other staff about it.

But in any school matter, you have potentially increased your exposure
because you can not enforce your data retention policy and you have no
choice but to involve a third party. This will increase your exposure
in many ways, like "climate". For example, a faculty member sues the
school for sexual harassment. Their lawyers will request all stored
email for your faculty, students and staff and search for sexist remarks
or other discriminatory language, jokes, pictures, etc that help prove
the school had a climate that encouraged the harassment (and it was not
an isolated employee action). Climate becomes the basis of taking down
the entire institution and disallowing the isolated incident argument.
And, where as the school's lawyers are likely assure that the scope of
the search is limited, and battle against grey areas, Google and Yahoo's
involvement will make that more difficult. Texaco, Enron and more have
famously had this employed against them using emails and schools are not
immune either (there are many cases involving hostility to GLBT,
religions, and indifference to violence). Eliminating unnecessary
retention reduces this risk and many others.

Your email strategy has significant cost, administrative and educational
benefits that may out weigh the risks. 99.9% of the time it is not
going to matter, but I think most schools are going to be best off with
school accounts that are for school business only (by policy), and which
you can enforce retention rules on; and encouraging faculty, staff and
students to maintain separate personal accounts for all of their
personal business. Could you have two separate yahoo accounts as well,
certainly, but again it is about your ability to enforce your polices on
the data that is part of your school's business and enabling the
school's control over that data.

_J

___________________________________

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Web Services Branch - Walter Reed Army Medical Center Ingenium (ISO
9001:2000 certified)
Office: 202-782-1047
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jason.p.johnson2@us.army.mil=20
-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Kearney
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 9:53 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size (UNCLASSIFIED)

I should make it clear that we would never wish to look into a student's
or faculty's personal email account any more than we would want to go
to their homes and read a student's physical mail.

Our data retention policies apply only to materials on school owned
computers. For servers holding student records that is indefinite but we
do have then photographed and stored off site after 7 years. For
financial and fundraising it is five years. For school originated email,
and there is very little of that, 90 days.

Student lab computer are set to destroy anything that is not part of the
basic OS every night. Like I said they had better save their stuff to
their personal pen drives. We do have a policy which lets us look at the
pen drive should we suspect porn or other inappropriate material but we
have never had occasion to do so. This is the same as looking into
lockers.

So if someone come knocking wanting to look at personal email they can
do so at Google, Yahoo or who ever and deal with Google's lawyers but
not the schools.

At some point both students and faculty need to learn to be responsible
for themselves and not expect that the school and it IS staff will be
watching over them all the time. In our case we start that at the very
beginning.

No issued laptops but personal ones are fine, no school email and no
school storage, everyone will learn and be forced to use all three
operating systems. We haven't got into the whole tablet computer thing.
One student has one. In my professional work I have seen a grand total
of two of these in real work setting. They strike me as a gimmick.

Greg
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED=20
Caveats: NONE

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

Greg,

What is the legal stance on this? Aren't schools required have a system
in place to retain electronic communication once a legal proceeding is
initiated? Do you have an agreement in place with off-site providers to
archive this information and make it available and reasonably searchable
in case it is needed?

Dave

A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on
Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 5:21 PM -0800 wrote:
>This is one reason why we don't offer student or faculty email. If =20
>someone want to subpoena someone let them subpoena Google, not us.
>
>Greg
>On Sep 26, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Backon, Joel wrote:
>
>> The NAIS attorney told us, at a workshop, not to archive email at all
>> except during discovery as outlined by Peter Hoopes. Anything you have
>> in your archives (as opposed to a backup, which is a snapshot in =20
>> time),
>> is subject to subpoena once a legal proceeding is initiated. You can
>> well imagine the types of messages circulating or saved on your email
>> server that might sometime have to be turned over to the courts.
>>
>> _________________________________
>> Joel Backon
>> Director of Academic Technology / History Teacher
>> Choate Rosemary Hall
>> 333 Christian St.
>> Wallingford, CT 06492
>> 203-697-2514
>>
>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they =20
>> are
>> addressed.
>>
>> If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender
>> immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and any attachments =20
>> and
>> destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a
>> person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: A forum for independent school educators
>> [mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Hoopes
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:34 PM
>> To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size
>>
>> A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
>> writes:
>>> Second item - length of time to keep the archived emails: 7 years. Is
>> this
>>> too long?
>>
>> This is actually a MIS-interpretation of the law. At least our counsel
>> and
>> several other strong firms in the area have told us, you do NOT have =20
>> to
>> keep 7 years worth of email activity. You simply need to have in =20
>> place a
>> method by which you CAN keep email during a discovery process should =20
>> get
>> involved in one.
>>
>> If you have consulted your school counsel and they believe 7 years is
>> necessary, then so be it. But, if you haven't, don't get caught up in
>> all
>> of the panic about keeping that much email.
>>
>> Peter Hoopes
>> Director of Technology
>> St. Andrew's School
>> phoopes@standrews-de.org
>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>>
>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>>
>> [ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>> Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.
>
>[ For info on ISED-L see http://www.gds.org/ISED-L ]
>Submissions to ISED-L are released under a Creative Commons license.

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Re: Software Storage at your school

We do the same.

Justin Dover
Harpeth Hall School
615-346-0082

A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 6:38 AM -0500 wrote:
>The technology department keeps all original software disks. Copies
>are made for backup purposes only and are stored in a separate location.
>We do not allow teacher owned software on the school computers. If the
>software is needed by the teacher, the school will purchase a copy.
>
>The main reason we have such a strict policy, is so that we can keep
>accurate licensing records and stay compliant.

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Re: Academic "Redshirting"

I would be happy to talk with you. Before my current position at VES, I
was Director of Admissions at James River Day School, K-8. Also,
personally my husband and I gave our two boys, with summer birthdays,
another year of preschool before starting kindergarten at James River.
Lots went into our decision for another year of preschool, one being
that they are adopted from Russia. Our boys are now both in middle
school and very doing well, both in and out of the classroom. Feel free
to call me!

Katherine B. Manning
Director of Annual Giving
Virginia Episcopal School
400 VES Road
Lynchburg, VA 24503
434.385.3701 phone
434.385.3704 fax
kmanning@ves.org
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Padilla
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:41 AM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Academic "Redshirting"

I am writing an article about the trend of letting kids with summer (and
now spring and even late winter) birthdays wait a year before starting
Kindergarten.

I am trying to find information on the high school and middle school
performance of kids who enrolled in Kindergarten "on time," turning 6
during the school year or summer after Kindergarten, compared with those
who waited and turned 7 during the Kindergarten school year. =20

I have read a lot of articles and statistics about the benefits and
concerns with this trend, but most of the information about later
performance deals with kids who are from underperforming public schools,
economically disadvantaged families, etc. I am looking at the current
trend of parents who can afford to keep their kids out of school for
another year. These parents aren't necessarily delaying Kindergarten
because their kids are not ready; they often see an opportunity for the
child to be the oldest and perhaps to excel in the classroom. It is
also
viewed as a way for kids to have better social skills when they enter
schoool. In the past the trend was for boys with summer birthdays to
wait.
Now, it seems, even girls with summer or late spring birthdays are
waiting
a year. Is this broader range of ages having an effect on classroom
dynamics in the early elementary grades?

I am also interested in how programs have adapted to such trends (there
was a Newsweek article last year about Kindergarten being the "new 1st
grade"). Are programs becoming more rigorous to accomodate the older
children, making it harder for the younger kids to keep up? What about
when these older kids are in middle school? Is there a difference
between
the older kids and their classmates? Are the older kids still
performing
better, do they have higher confidence levels, etc. than their peers?=20

I'm not sure that there has been much research on this, so I doubt there
are any real statistics. I'm interested in personal antecdotes,
opinions,
any information that might be out there. =20

Also, do any elementary schools have policies/statements about when
it's
best for a child to start Kindergarten? I know that most independent
schools keep their listed enroll dates in line with whatever the state
public school requirements are (anywhere from 6 by December of
Kindergarten to 6 by June before the start of Kindergarten). Are there
any schools that make recommendations that kids start later?=20

Thanks so much for any information you can provide! =20

Karen Padilla
Middle School Librarian
Baylor School
Chattanooga, TN
karen_padilla@baylorschool.org

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size (UNCLASSIFIED)

I should make it clear that we would never wish to look into a
student's or faculty's personal email account any more than we would
want to go to their homes and read a student's physical mail.

Our data retention policies apply only to materials on school owned
computers. For servers holding student records that is indefinite but
we do have then photographed and stored off site after 7 years. For
financial and fundraising it is five years. For school originated
email, and there is very little of that, 90 days.

Student lab computer are set to destroy anything that is not part of
the basic OS every night. Like I said they had better save their stuff
to their personal pen drives. We do have a policy which lets us look
at the pen drive should we suspect porn or other inappropriate
material but we have never had occasion to do so. This is the same as
looking into lockers.

So if someone come knocking wanting to look at personal email they can
do so at Google, Yahoo or who ever and deal with Google's lawyers but
not the schools.

At some point both students and faculty need to learn to be
responsible for themselves and not expect that the school and it IS
staff will be watching over them all the time. In our case we start
that at the very beginning.

No issued laptops but personal ones are fine, no school email and no
school storage, everyone will learn and be forced to use all three
operating systems. We haven't got into the whole tablet computer
thing. One student has one. In my professional work I have seen a
grand total of two of these in real work setting. They strike me as a
gimmick.

Greg

On Sep 27, 2007, at 7:17 AM, Johnson, Jason P Mr WRAMC_Wash DC wrote:

> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
>
> Unfortunately all data is not created equal. Even within email. The
> rule of thumb is that you keep any data for the shortest period of
> time
> required (by law, financial commitment, compliance, and perceived
> institutional need) and have a data retention policy that clearly
> outlines what types of data you keep and for how long. Most of your
> email can probably have a short retention period (1 year, 90 days, or
> less) but there are some types of data and email you may be required
> to
> retain longer (e.g. related to a bond financing or HIPAA) these will
> tend to be the exception and not the rule and you may want your policy
> to be printing them out. Regardless, you really need a written policy
> for each class of data (student records, library circulation reports,
> etc.), stick to it, and don't define it by type of system (email, file
> server, etc). NAIS has some good resources on this.
>
> Secondly, everything in backup is just as vulnerable to subpoena and
> warrant, so proper destruction of backups is necessary as well and
> should align with your retention policy.
>
> Finally, having students and teachers use real-world email accounts
> is a
> wonderful educational tool, and I don't mean this as a criticism of
> the
> value of Greg's program to students and teachers, but from a legal
> perspective I believe you are far worse off having faculty and staff
> use
> external services because you have no way to enforce or monitor
> compliance with your data retention policies. Sure you will not have
> the hassle of officer's seizing your servers, but lack most of the
> controls that would allow you to enforce compliance on deletion or
> proper retention, and ensure that during a discover phase documents
> that
> might help the school are not destroyed. In terms of students it is
> not
> quite as bad, but you are giving up the option to review student email
> for in-school offenses (unless they give you permission and log you
> in).
> Your only option to review student email is to start a civil or
> criminal
> case and take it through the courts. As always, it would be best to
> consult with a real lawyer about these kinds of things, as I may be
> way
> off-base.
>
> _Jason

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Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED=20
Caveats: NONE

Unfortunately all data is not created equal. Even within email. The
rule of thumb is that you keep any data for the shortest period of time
required (by law, financial commitment, compliance, and perceived
institutional need) and have a data retention policy that clearly
outlines what types of data you keep and for how long. Most of your
email can probably have a short retention period (1 year, 90 days, or
less) but there are some types of data and email you may be required to
retain longer (e.g. related to a bond financing or HIPAA) these will
tend to be the exception and not the rule and you may want your policy
to be printing them out. Regardless, you really need a written policy
for each class of data (student records, library circulation reports,
etc.), stick to it, and don't define it by type of system (email, file
server, etc). NAIS has some good resources on this.

Secondly, everything in backup is just as vulnerable to subpoena and
warrant, so proper destruction of backups is necessary as well and
should align with your retention policy.

Finally, having students and teachers use real-world email accounts is a
wonderful educational tool, and I don't mean this as a criticism of the
value of Greg's program to students and teachers, but from a legal
perspective I believe you are far worse off having faculty and staff use
external services because you have no way to enforce or monitor
compliance with your data retention policies. Sure you will not have
the hassle of officer's seizing your servers, but lack most of the
controls that would allow you to enforce compliance on deletion or
proper retention, and ensure that during a discover phase documents that
might help the school are not destroyed. In terms of students it is not
quite as bad, but you are giving up the option to review student email
for in-school offenses (unless they give you permission and log you in).
Your only option to review student email is to start a civil or criminal
case and take it through the courts. As always, it would be best to
consult with a real lawyer about these kinds of things, as I may be way
off-base.

_Jason

___________________________________

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Web Services Branch - Walter Reed Army Medical Center Ingenium (ISO
9001:2000 certified)
Office: 202-782-1047
Cell: 202-262-0516
jason.johnson@ingenium.net
jason.p.johnson2@us.army.mil=20
-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Backon, Joel
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:18 PM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

The NAIS attorney told us, at a workshop, not to archive email at all
except during discovery as outlined by Peter Hoopes. Anything you have
in your archives (as opposed to a backup, which is a snapshot in time),
is subject to subpoena once a legal proceeding is initiated. You can
well imagine the types of messages circulating or saved on your email
server that might sometime have to be turned over to the courts.

_________________________________
Joel Backon
Director of Academic Technology / History Teacher Choate Rosemary Hall
333 Christian St.
Wallingford, CT 06492
203-697-2514
=20
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are
addressed.

If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender
immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and any attachments and
destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a
person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized.

-----Original Message-----
From: A forum for independent school educators
[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Hoopes
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:34 PM
To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: Re: Archiving email and limiting attachment size

A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>
writes:
>Second item - length of time to keep the archived emails: 7 years. Is
this
>too long?

This is actually a MIS-interpretation of the law. At least our counsel
and several other strong firms in the area have told us, you do NOT have
to keep 7 years worth of email activity. You simply need to have in
place a method by which you CAN keep email during a discovery process
should get involved in one.

If you have consulted your school counsel and they believe 7 years is
necessary, then so be it. But, if you haven't, don't get caught up in
all of the panic about keeping that much email.

Peter Hoopes
Director of Technology
St. Andrew's School
phoopes@standrews-de.org
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

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Re: ISED/Curriculum mapping software

Blake is in its third year of mapping using Rubicon Atlas. Rubicon Atlas is easy to use, training has been excellent, and the company is very responsive to suggestions.

Marilyn

------------------------------------------------------
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mkelley@blakeschool.org (v) 952-988-3408
http://www.blakeschool.org

(f) 952-988-3412

"It is only with the heart that one can see rightly. What is essential is invisible to the eye." The Little Prince

A forum for independent school educators <ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> writes:
>[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott, Sue
>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:39 PM
>To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>Subject: ISED/Curriculum mapping software
>
>We are about to embark on a curriculum mapping project and are looking
>for recommendations for software to facilitate this process.
>
>
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>Sue Scott
>
>Technology Director
>
>St. Paul Academy and Summit School
>
>1712 Randolph Avenue
>
>St. Paul, MN 55105
>
>Phone: 651-696-1435
>
>Fax: 651-698-6787

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Re: ISED/Curriculum mapping software

Viewpoint School is also using Atlas Rubicon, and we are very happy with
their service and with recent changes in their website possibilities -- rtf
formatting and unit rather than by-the-month calendar.
Margaret Bowles
Associate Head, Viewpoint School
Calabasas, CA

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Re: School own laptops and faculty accountability

Do you follow the ISED listserv? Thought this was interesting.
Ann
On Sep 26, 2007, at 7:56 PM, Luthra, Shabbi wrote:

> Hi Bill,
> We purchase and provide tablets to our faculty and teacher
> assistants, and laptops to admin staff. Last year we put together
> an information agreement for staff technology use. This was done
> after observing a pattern of instances. We've noted a huge drop
> after this agreement was shared. We also have a lost/damaged
> equipment report that is filed by the staff member. Here's what the
> agreement says.
>
> INFORMATIONAL AGREEMENT FOR ASB STAFF LAPTOP AND TECHNOLOGY USE
>
> In order to facilitate instructional and administrative
> responsibilities, ASB provides laptops to professional staff for
> their use inside and outside the school. All laptops and its
> accessories are provided to staff members for the contracted/
> employment period of time at no cost to the employee and shall
> remain the property of ASB. Policies governing the use of
> technology, apply to the use of all school owned equipment
> (including the school network, digital cameras, digital video
> cameras, projectors, projector remotes, CD/DVD players, external
> hard drives) at all times whether inside or outside the school
> premises.
>
> 1. ASB will provide a laptop computer with ASB's standard image,
> including the basic operating system, Microsoft Office
> Professional, ASB licensed software and access to the ASB network
> on campus.
>
> 2. The school may assist in the installation of additional software
> on a machine / network only in accordance with licensing agreements
> and copyright regulations.
>
> 3. ASB is not responsible for maintenance of / provision of
> technical assistance for any applications or hardware not listed in
> the standard ASB image for school laptops. Should routine
> troubleshooting fail to address software problems, the standard
> image only will be re-installed.
>
> 4. Staff members are responsible for taking a backup of their
> laptop data. The school's responsibility is limited to reloading
> ASB's standard image and retrieval of data stored on the servers.
> Any cost incurred for retrieval of data from the laptop will be
> billed to the staff member.
>
> 5. ASB will provide each employee with a user account enabling them
> to access the network / internet at school.
>
> 6. ASB will use network management technologies to protect the
> network from viruses and security violations emanating from any use
> of the laptops.
>
> 7. Staff members are expected to protect school laptops and other
> technology equipment loaned to them from damage and theft/
> misplacement and to report all incidences of theft/misplacement and
> vandalism to the equipment within twenty-four (24) hours of their
> knowledge of the loss/damage to the Tech Office.
>
> 8. Staff members assume all risks of loss or damage to the laptops
> due to negligence and are expected to return it along with any
> peripherals in the condition in which it was received with the
> exception of normal wear and tear. The same applies to any other
> technology hardware loaned to the staff member.
>
> 9. ASB's guidelines for laptop warranty/insurance as well as the
> terms and conditions for non-insurance/non-warranty items (as noted
> on the portal) will be applicable to staff laptops as well. Staff
> members may be held responsible for any damage, loss or theft
> caused by abuse or negligence to any technology equipment loaned to
> them. For any loss/theft outside the school, staff members must
> file the police complaint/organize the paper work to enable the
> school to file an insurance claim.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: A forum for independent school educators on behalf of William
> Stites
> Sent: Thu 9/27/2007 4:39 AM
> To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: School own laptops and faculty accountability
>
>
>
> I am looking for information relating to policies and guidelines from
> schools who purchase and provide laptops to faculty. How do you
> handle:
>
> 1. Personal Information - Ownership/copy-write
> 2. Issues and policy related to loss or damage of the equipment
> outside of school, particularly how you hold faculty accountable and
> in what way(s)
> 3. Administrative Access to the machines - do you allow it
> 4. Back-up and recovery policies
>
> I am sure there are many other things to consider and anything you
> might think to add or include would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
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> William D. Stites, Jr.
> Director of Technology
> The Montclair Kimberley Academy
> 201 Valley Road
> Montclair, NJ 07042
> (P) 973-509-4595
> (F) 973-509-4596
> wstites@montclairkimberley.org
> http://www.montclairkimberley.org
>
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