0 xServer, just the server software which can=A0run on a=A0cheap=A0machine.=
=A0=A0You can save yourself a lot of future pain with a little up front inv=
estment.=A0 Password management and resets alone probably make it worthwhil=
e.=0A=0AIn addition, AD access can be configured=A0locally as can print que=
ues (without AdmitMac) allowing students access to file services at the ver=
y least so they can back up their work and/or easily transfer it to teacher=
s without resorting to email, etc.=A0 Time consuming up front but no additi=
onal cost and will likely save you time in the long run.=0A=0A_J___________=
_________________=0AJason at jasonpj@yahoo.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________=
__________________=0AFrom: JPDS Tech <techpurchases@jpds.org>=0ATo: ISED-L@=
LISTSERV.SYR.EDU=0ASent: Friday, September 11, 2009 11:50:29 AM=0ASubject: =
Re: Managing Macs in a Windows Environments=0A=0AWe've just added a beefed =
up Mac Mini ($900 plus software) to run=0ASnowLeopard Server to help our ma=
nage our Macs in an AD environment.=A0 Our=0Aprimary goal was to allow the =
students to authenticate with the same=0Ausername and password on either pl=
atform.=A0 Secondary goal was to have a=0Alittle control over the users on =
the Mac and to be able to update software,=0Aetc on the Macs (I use WSUS fo=
r the PCs in my network).=A0 Like Rick, I am=0Aused to having AD and script=
s to lock down certain functions.=A0 Mac's OD=0Aserves the same purpose on =
the Macs, and is able to pull in user info from=0AAD.=A0 =0A=0AThe MacMini =
is cost effective for what we needed:=A0 we're not saving files on=0Athis s=
erver; we're not (yet, at least) using the server for broadcasting=0Apodcas=
ts or email; we've a very small deployment of Macs.=A0 We've received=0Aexc=
ellent tech support and guidance from our Apple rep.=A0 The key, according=
=0Ato Apple, is the 'golden triangle':=A0 configuring the client machine to=
see=0Aboth Mac's Open Directory and Microsoft's AD.=A0 =0A=0AThings are of=
f to an okay start so far, with some limitations I haven't yet=0Afigure out=
.=0A=0ADan Berger=0AJewish Primary Day School of the Nation's Capital=0AWas=
hington, DC=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: A forum for independent=
school educators=0A[mailto:ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Carl Camp=
ion=0ASent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 8:23 PM=0ATo: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.=
EDU=0ASubject: Re: Managing Macs in a Windows Environments=0A=0AI agree wit=
h Jason. To get the "mixed environment" to work well we=A0 =0Aused Apple Pr=
o Services to do the initial set up. This included=A0 =0Asetting up three X=
serves and binding them to the AD . We also had=A0 =0Athem import all the s=
tudent directories off of Windows servers and a=A0 =0AMac server and roll t=
hem into the XServes. Pretty amazing what people=A0 =0Acan do with scriptin=
g.=A0 Two of the servers are for the student=A0 =0Adirectories(using both S=
MB and AFP) . The third is a wiki/blog and=A0 =0ANoteshare Server.=0A=0AThi=
s past summer we contracted Apple Pro Services to set up Deploy=A0 =0AStudi=
o so we could re-image all the Macs on campus(about 110).=A0 =0AConsidering=
the time saved and flexibility it is well worth the money.=0A=0AOur pre-sa=
les engineer who has school experience in a mixed=A0 =0Aenvironment has bee=
n invaluable. He wrote the initial description of=A0 =0Athe services needed=
.=0A=0ACarl Campion=0AArchmere Academy=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 10, 2009, at 7:59 PM,=
Jason Johnson wrote:=0A=0A> A word of caution here ARD !=3D Group Policies=
.=A0 The nearest Apple=A0 =0A> equivalent is the Workgroup Manager which yo=
u receive as part of an=A0 =0A> Apple Server.=A0 If you have a large mac im=
plementation (i.e. between=A0 =0A> 50-150 depending on your IT department a=
nd infrastructure) I would=A0 =0A> recommend considering investing in an Ap=
ple Server and connecting=A0 =0A> it to your Windows AD system and storage =
servers.=A0 It will likely=A0 =0A> save you time and money in the long run =
and is effectively a GP=A0 =0A> equivalent.=0A>=0A> In lieu of that Casper =
is likely your best option as mentioned by=A0 =0A> others.=A0 It is a stop =
gap measure that allow those who cannot=A0 =0A> invest in or support a sign=
ificant Mac infrastructure to include=A0 =0A> macs as a sub-set of a window=
s infrastructure.=A0 There is a tipping=A0 =0A> point where Casper is no lo=
nger better than investing in a Mac=A0 =0A> server but that is both a hardw=
are and staff cost equation.=0A>=0A> You can cobble together an alternate s=
olution with ARD, Carbon Copy=A0 =0A> Cloner, plist modifications and a hos=
t of other free utilities for=A0 =0A> under $500 but it is not recommended =
and requires a significant=A0 =0A> amount of time from an experienced mac p=
ro.=0A>=0A> You may find some better answers through communities at:=0A>=0A=
> http://www.macenterprise.org=0A>=0A> and=0A>=0A> http://www.afp548.com/=
=0A>=0A> Or by talking to your apple rep about professional services.=0A>=
=0A> _J=0A>=0A>=A0 ____________________________=0A> Jason at jasonpj@yahoo.=
com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ________________________________=0A> From: Rick Cas=
torani <rcastorani@aimpa.org>=0A> To: ISED-L@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU=0A> Sent: Thu=
rsday, September 10, 2009 1:34:39 PM=0A> Subject: Managing Macs in a Window=
s Environment=0A>=0A> We are just beginning a one to one program with our h=
igh schoolers=A0 =0A> using the 13" aluminum macbook.=A0 We are all very ex=
cited and can not wait=0Ato=A0 get these in the hands of the students.=A0 I=
, on the other hand, come from=0Aa=A0 windows networking world where everyt=
hing from default printers to mapped=0A=0A> drives to advanced permissions =
is easily controlled by group policy and=0Alogon=A0 scripts.=0A> I am start=
ing off with apple remote desktop but I feel that I am=A0 =0A> missing some=
thing.=A0 Those of you who are, or have been, in my situation,=A0 =0A> what=
do you use to manage your macs??=0A>=0A> Thank you so much in advance!=A0 =
Hope your school years have started=A0 =0A> out well!=0A>=0A> Rick Castoran=
i=0A> Technology Coordinator=0A> Academy in Manayunk=0A=0A[ For info on ISE=
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